To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

Laurie

I'm sorry you can't pay your mortgage, could you move somewhere cheaper, are you entitled to UC, this covers quite a lot of benefits now.

Lloyd1986
I believe I stated that I would hate to pass it on to my loved ones. I think loved ones includes children and grand-children, so I am not sure what you are getting at. I definitely would not be happy passing it on to anybody. I hope this clears up your misconception of my thoughts. I will stay in lockdown, until it is safe for me and others not to. As I said, it will be selfish not too. I think you need to read the submissions more carefully. They are written in English! The only contact I have with my family is by telephone or Skype. Sorry if this upsets you, but I can's pass it on by these methods.

The NHS is coping because of lockdown. If lockdown is eased too quickly or too soon it won’t cope at all. Also I don’t see how schools can open. You cannot follow social distancing in schools, hand washing will be a huge problem, think 400+ pupils and 18 sinks. Also ratios of adults to pupils to operate safely, as in a staff member gets sick off for 2 weeks, who covers the class, plus those staff who are shielded? Will staff be given PPE or does their safety not matter? The logistics of opening schools will be very tricky, drop off and pick up, breakfast clubs and after school clubs? People who rely on elderly relatives to provide wrap around care but can’t due to risks. Unless those issues are met how do schools open? If schools can’t open safely how do parents go back to work? I think there are still too many questions to be answered to make a decision on it.

This with knobs on. Too many unanswered questions and not enough reliable data.

If we don't have another lockdown later this year, I'll be amazed.

could you move somewhere cheaper

How could she move somewhere cheaper, if as you propose everyone remains in full lockdown until a vaccine, who is going to be buying or selling property?

'can't' not 'can's'

I haven't read the full thread but yes I support further lockdown after this period. I haven't voted because I wasn't sure if yes was YABU or YANBU. I appreciate that we can't go on with indefinite lockdown, although I do feel very nervous about what will happen when restrictions start to be lifted.

However it is abundantly clear to me that we cannot lift restrictions until all of the NHS staff and care home staff as a minimum have all of the PPE that they need, and until we have the capacity to test everyone with symptoms, and do contact tracing for everyone who has a positive test. I think that lots of companies who are not NHS/care homes will also need to provide PPE for their staff and customers (whether it's a squirt of handgel when coming into premises, masks, social distancing arrangements, screens or gloves) and until that's available without impacting on NHS supplies it's going to be very hard to ease it by much. That's not going to happen in a week or two, so we will need to continue with lockdown until the PPE/testing/tracing issues are resolved and the numbers testing positive are on a downward trajectory.

I hope everyone stays safe and well.

Don't have a big mortgage you can't afford on one wage

So for a single person in the south you're fucked!

Frompcat, I'm not going to, you can't fix stupid.

@hoxtonbabe, please contact your GP if you're worried. Mine is offering telephone appointments and, if the doctor decides they need to see you, you're called in.

Lots of treatment is being stopped for cancer & other things because of the virus NOT the lockdown!!

'Lifting the lockdown' will make it even LESS safe for people with cancer to have treatment that makes them more vulnerable to contracting & dying from Covid-19.

People need to understand that. It's the VIRUS not the lockdown.

*Perhaps the option and those wanting to go back can be the next wave in ICU, it's a shame for their kids though.
Must be awful for them to know their parents would rather be dead than stay at home with them. *

I'm gobsmacked that you have posted this. Are you serious @Devlesko??

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You could move, plenty people do, when they have to.
But if you insist on staying because you want to, then yes, you're fucked.
We did it, we had no choice. No work where we lived, Thatcher told us to get on our bikes so we did.
Unfortunately it was more expensive where we moved to so bought a hovel and came off grid when interest rates rose to 15%.
They were real hard times, not knowing how you were going to pay bills, no childcare so both could work, no support network we had to leave that.
But of course this was somehow easier for us than it would be for people today

i think some minimal relaxing needs to be looked at.

Allow people to return to work, maybe some staggered return of kids to school, or allowing us to see 2-3 people outside the immediate household.

Part of that is motivated by the somewhat selfish desire to see my BF though.. being unable to do anything other than speak online for the last month is driving us both crazy.

Lifting the lockdown' will make it even LESS safe for people with cancer to have treatment that makes them more vulnerable to contracting & dying from Covid-19.

Use the private hospitals then if they're not being used for COVID-19. Something has to be done, we cannot just let people with other illnesses be collateral damage.

As I understand it, it's a little difficult to move at the moment - due to lockdown? Was lockdown in place during the Thatcher years?

missfliss

Deadly serious, if idiots want childcare/schools to open when it's not safe, what do you expect will happen.
Do you think a virus will say "oh, we'll not infect this lot" "They are doing what they think is right"?
Fair enough when it's safe open up, but don't put teachers lives at risk when it's impossible for them to distance from kids.

@LaurieMarlow, why would any family have to adapt to no income, unless they're not normally resident in the UK?

Universal credit will provide a basic level of financial support for any family that has no income. It won't cover a mortgage, but it will cover a good chunk of their rent (unless they live in a large house or particularly expensive area).

This debate is actually being discussed on ITV at 8pm if you didn't know.

No, of course not, but you can take a mortgage holiday, interest only etc, until the time comes and you can move.

You could move, plenty people do, when they have to.

Not during a lockdown they can't and surely that's when people are going to be struggling.

Devlesko

You do know that this virus does not have a 100% fatality rate, don't you?

Seriously I despair.

What @catsarecute said. It’s really about when will we have the infrastructure in place to be able to lift lockdown safely- we can’t just be continuing to simply slow the spread, we have to be working to get it properly under control as other countries have. Otherwise we still have huge deaths just over a longer period.
Haven’t read full thread but if we look at how high the volume of new cases and deaths daily have been whilst we have been in lockdown for nearly 5 weeks, if this is what happens when we have huge restrictions on our movements then what happens when we don’t? Until we are in a position where when everyone who needs to be tested can be, everyone who tests positive can have full contact tracing carried out and all put in quarantine until risk passes, they can’t safely lift lockdown. They just can’t.

Frompcat

Unless I've missed something this virus doesn't discriminate who it kills and who it doesn't.
Seriously, I despair.

yes- I would support further lockdown of this extent

Boring as it sounds I’ll support whatever the experts say we need to do. Who am I to question what they suggest we need to do for our country. We happily follow medical advice on a wide range of other things but people want to ignore/challenge them on this because they don’t like it

I'd defo support. I'd much rather be cautious than move to quickly