To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

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Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

@Devlesko you are not only patronising, but also pompous and presumptuous.

I'll leave you to enjoy gloating

Unless I've missed something this virus doesn't discriminate who it kills and who it doesn't.

Well it actually does, as the risk to the young and healthy is significantly less than it is to the elderly or those with underlying conditions. Have you actually seen the data? I don't mean the anecdata from people on twitter telling you that there are hundreds of healthy young people dying in ICU, I mean the actual data which shows you that the risk of dying if you are under 50 and healthy is very low.

It is a horrible illness and this is clearly a serious pandemic but please can we stop the hyperbole about it being a choice between lockdown or death, because for plenty of people that simply isn't the case. My cousin and his wife, both NHS frontline, have both just tested positive for it and for both it was no worse than a mild cold. His wife didn't even have a cough!

Of course it discriminates, Devlesko, in the sense that it mostly kills the old and very old. But even the over 90s have a 50:50 chance of survival. You've seen the graphs by now, surely? 75% of deaths are in the over 75 age group

""No more lockdown. Restrictions but not lockdown.
Restaurants and pubs? Pubs only NO. Eating establishments YES. Limit tables. Lots of spaces. Make it known you have a drink and a meal then you leave. No dithering.

Garden centres YES. Queuing system, no dithering though. Go in, knowing what you want and leave.""

But people have showen and proved that a lot of them cannot follow the current rules, so how would they follow the rules above? I would like to see a tighter lockdown and more severe consequences for flouting the current rules.

I would like to see a tighter lockdown and more severe consequences for flouting the current rules.

What sort of consequences were you thinking of? A public stoning maybe or would flogging be better?

There was never going to be 100% compliance and there never will be.

@hoxtonbabe not sure! DH is a surgeon so operates on cancer patients, their Operating capacity has been reduced to free up space for covid beds and only the most urgent are being done. I guess it may be different in different hospitals or even different types of cancer?

Perhaps the option and those wanting to go back can be the next wave in ICU, it's a shame for their kids though
Must be awful for them to know their parents would rather be dead than stay at home with them

Wow...

Does it discriminate?

Why don't we ask BAME NHS frontline? It certainly seems to play favourites.

@frazzledasarock: I'm sorry for your loss. You seem to have know more than your fair share of people affected by this.

It's so random. DP and I don't know of one person between us who's definitely been ill because of it, and the only person we know who's been tested was positive but asymptomatic.

I'm finding lockdown really hard being in the position of working full time (as is my partner) and having our toddler home, but understand the reasons and having vulnerable family I agree with measures to save lives.

My partner was saying that there had been a study predicting 200k deaths if only the elderly and at risk had to shield with the rest of us going back to normal. Sorry i don't have the source I'll try and find it.

Reality is going to be a raising and lowering of social distancing requirements as reaction to the case numbers, how long this will go on for nobody knows :(

Hopefully one of the first things will be being allowed to visit other family members, I miss my parents and inlaws a lot.

OP's voting buttons don't make sense! But yes, based on current estimated infection rates within the UK, I think we need an extension of lockdown, otherwise infection rates will absolutely spiral out of control. I think people are not being realistic thinking we would go back to "normal" if lockdown were lifted at this stage.

I don’t really understand the poll choice - does YANBU mean “end lockdown soon”?

If so, that.

There will be no vaccine any time soon, and there’s no sign of any effective antibody test soon either. The country can just about afford for the very old and very ill to stay indoors for the next 12 -18 months but it can’t do that unless the economy gets going again and everyone else goes back to work/school pronto. Small businesses are already starting to close for good and will never reopen: we need to save the ones which remain.

By the way, I am sure there will be a big resurgence in cases when lockdown lifts - WHENEVER lockdown lifts. We could wait one week or another six weeks but there will still be a resurgence - just like in Singapore and China. That’s the trouble with lockdown - it temporarily suppresses a virus but won’t eradicate it. And that’s why it’s pointless carrying on with lockdown much longer - people will still get ill AND the economy is wrecked for ever.

By the way anyone who says they are fine with lockdown because hubby’s got a big pay rise and they do so love lounging about in their garden swing - please go live for a week or two in a two room flat in social housing with UC and three small kids. We haven’t even SEEN the damage this lockdown has done to the poor yet.

Those saying the virus doesn’t discriminate and that sending children back to school to die need to see these figures:
No. of deaths by Age Group in England till 5PM 25th April.
0-19 Yrs : 9
20 - 39 Yrs : 134
40 - 59 Yrs : 1480
60 - 79 Yrs : 7190,
80+ : 9607
Total : 18420

I have copied this from the daily stats, graphs thread

I will begrudgingly support another lockdown if we can get some kind of clue about an exit strategy.
All I hear coming from Raab’s mouth is ‘new normal’ and it fucks me off no end.

I've had it, hospitalised, and survived. It is a vicious illness. I'm not old. I feel that the lockdown is not strict enough.

Universal credit will provide a basic level of financial support for any family that has no income. It won't cover a mortgage

Well this is the issue, isn’t it?

All the people being hysterical about your kids dying or being left orphans - can you please remember that the reason this virus is so serious is precisely because it is so mild for most people.... many suffer so little that they can go out and about as normal and spread it around.
Take something like Ebola with a much higher death rate, but it kills so indiscriminately and so quickly that it doesn’t spread as quickly.

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My Dad is petrified he will get it again. He said he has been to hell and back he was that ill.

@LaurieMarlow you have hit the nail on the head. For those of us that don't have a job to go back to anymore and having vital medical treatment postponed, it's a totally different picture. I am quite literally losing the will to live as there will be no point to life if my DD ends up in foster care because we're homeless.

Ethelfleda, I don't think we yet have reliable data on what proportion of people get infected but only ever experience mild symptoms. One of the reasons for the rapid spread of the virus is that people can be infectious before they show symptoms, but that's not to say those people won't then go on to become seriously ill.

I am quite literally losing the will to live as there will be no point to life if my DD ends up in foster care because we're homeless

You poor thing, big hugs.

It frustrates me so much that people aren’t engaging with this aspect. I guess if your income is secure you haven’t got a clue what other people are going through.

This thread makes me wonder how us Brits ever got through the great depression, the Soanish flu, 2 major world wars, the blitz, the plague etc

Makes me wonder how my mum got through 1957. I was a toddler, my RN father was serving in the far east, she was caring for her father, who was dying of emphysema, I had measles so badly I was almost hospitalised and when grand-dad died she was served an eviction notice. Both her sisters were in Canada and she had no-one to turn to.

Fuck knows how she coped. And yet it was my dad who had some sort of breakdown and spent a few months on a psych ward.

God knows how we achieved anything with a populace too scared of a 0.6% chance of death to go outside

MargotB7 I can empathise with your dad. I was seriously ill with Covid and I seriously doubt I would survive anothe round of it.