To ask whether you would support a further lockdown?

[lola777]

Posting here simply as I don't know if voting can be enabled outside AIBU.

Vote yes- You would support further lockdown of this extent
Vote no- You would not support a lockdown of this extent after the current lockdown period

Personally, I would be happy for restrictions to slowly be lifted after this. Amongst my friends, I feel I am in the majority.

No

@Frompcat, it almost sounds like you're happy to sacrifice older people to preserve affluence for the middle-aged and younger!

I don't want any preventable deaths to occur and I'm particularly saddened by the deaths of HCPs. We need to keep restrictions in place to make sure that they're not having to work beyond capacity, until they're exhausted, or if they're so overstretched that the risk of mistakes in either their self-care or the care they give to others is increased.

I'm also uneasy about reopening schools. We know that children suffer very mild symptoms if infected, it therefore seems plausible that they're more likely to be asymptomatic than adults. If so, teachers would be particularly at risk of infection, distancing appears not to be possible in schools, and I'm not happy with that exposing one group of people to an increased level of risk just because of their job.

I agree with Death

I don’t know how we fought a war with everyone apparently so terrified of death. We didn’t conscript all of them!

I will but I'm in the vulnerable group. I'm also in isolation with my son so I have company, this must be hell on earth for people isolating alone (unless they prefer it or are used to it) My mum is living with my brother, I can't bear to think what would have happened if she was on her own - virtual hugs for everyone who could use one right now! xxx

People are weak. It's pathetic how frightened the worried well are of the miniscule risk of death.

Do you know what? Not everyone is concerned on their own account. Some people are concerned that they may unwittingly spread the virus to someone else less fortunate. Some people are concerned that if everyone goes around spreading it, the death toll will continue to climb.

But perhaps if the sick and dead are just old people or those with underlying conditions, or the HCPs that care for them, that's of no concern? Perhaps you think it's for the best that anyone aged over 70 or suffering from a vulnerable condition should remain housebound for the duration so the young and fit can get out and carry on?

The so-called lockdown may have slowed the rate of infection - we don't have full details yet - but the delay in implementing it and the half-hearted way in which it's been done have certainly caused a lot of avoidable deaths, and will continue to do so until the rate of infection can be slowed significantly further.

it almost sounds like you're happy to sacrifice older people to preserve affluence for the middle-aged and younger!

That isn't even slightly what I said but by all means wilfully misinterpret my comments. I have two grandparents, one with a heart condition and one with end stage pulmonary fibrosis, both of whom I love dearly and neither of whom I want to lose. I was merely taking issue with a comment by a pp who stated incorrectly that the virus kills "indiscriminately", because it doesn't. You can deal with anecdata all you like, but the actual data tells us who is most at risk.

That doesn't mean I don't care if the old or vulnerable die. Do you care if the vulnerable women I work with are killed by their abusers because due to the lockdown I can't offer them a place in a refuge? Because that is happening, right now.

Whilst ever the government are allowing people in from foreign countries with no restrictions, testing or isolation. This will go on much longer. We have and are doing everything by the book but the government are putting our lives at risk by allowing open doors. Some people are starting to think they are taking the piss. I don't think anyone will be so patient again.

I care that my elderly mum actually gets to live while she’s alive!

No i wouldn't , some people have already committed suicide over it , cancer patients are having their treatment delayed, and that's before the rest of problems they will be with the economy, redundancies etc. The virus is here to stay now just like the flu , there was no lock down for that and it waned, there's a vaccine for it but people are still dying from it, just got to learn to live with it , most people have mild symptoms they only print the deaths and not how many have recovered. If they printed how many people die from cancer a day and other illnesses it would be higher than you think.

Heart and circulatory diseases cause more than a quarter of all deaths in the UK, that’s nearly 170,000 deaths each year – an average of 460 deaths each day or one every three minutes in the UK and that's just heart disease, some people could be dying of their illnesses and because they have covid in their system it gets recorded as that.

The ones with no illnesses are said to be down to over response of immune system too, and that can be stopped.

So no i don't support another lock down.

Yes I support an extension to the lock down. I live with a vulnerable person and I will not risk them by returning to normal too soon.

@Frompcat, I absolutely do care, very much, about women suffering DA, which is why I spent many years working in a role where I was supporting them.

Any unnecessary death is a tragedy, let's not get into playing top trumps.

when i see on the news all the crowds of people sunbathing etc i think, what is going on, calls from journalists about the lockdown, saying when is it going to end ,probably never if these selfish ignorant people do not do as they are told so, for once, dont blame the politicians , these idiots should be heavily fined at least, we are doing our best to adhere to the rules, no one does it willingly but it has to be done and, hopefully, its not for ever

Any unnecessary death is a tragedy, let's not get into playing top trumps.

You say that now.

Yet there’s a clear mentality around at the minute that only Covid deaths matter.

Any unnecessary death is a tragedy, let's not get into playing top trumps.

Excuse me, it wasn't me who did that - it was you, when you accused me of not caring about the elderly and vulnerable.

@LilacTree1

Hell no I would not. This madness has to end. The lockdown is reckless, irrational, wildly destructive, and lacking in a proper evidence base. We have to “stay at home” to stopped the NHS becoming overwhelmed, but NHS hospitals aren’t a bit overwhelmed, because they’ve stopped treating anybody who hasn’t got covid, and people are too afraid to go to hospital anyway. Even covid patients aren’t admitted to hospital , apparently , unless they are literally turning blue (by which point it’s too late), and if you are living in a care home, forget it. No wonder everyone is dying!! Meanwhile , people are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, businesses are collapsing, the government is accruing obscene levels of debt (who will pay for the health service then?), so many people’s mental health is suffering acutely, women are being murdered, suicide is on the up, children are missing out on education and play. This is the collective madness of a society of people so sheltered and privileged that they aren’t used to confronting the idea of living with risk (despite the reality that we do in fact live with all kinds of risk we just don’t notice those risks because we’ve become accustomed to them). Ok rant over.

I would support a further lockdown if the government would close the borders and give us a plan for the exit strategy and a timeline. At the beginning, we had Boris tell us we will beat this virus and turn the tide in 12 weeks. Not going to happen is it? This virus is here to stay..... we need to live with it. I feel desperately sad for the older generation but it is apparent that they too want to live their lives, otherwise what is the point with nothing to look forward to? No family to be with? In all honesty, proper hygiene and masks in enclosed spaces would go a long long way in helping us move on from this hell.

Yes I support the lock down until the number of new infections comes down to a level that will be manageable through test, track and trace. This is the way out.

• Yes would be very happy to send my dc to school immediately.

• No I wont be having a vaccine for this and nor will dc, I dont trust anything rushed, especially not by this hysterical govt

• Lockdown isnt just homeschooling and DIY, plenty of people are having to homeschool multiple dc as well as trying to hold down full time jobs wfh. It's an impossible situation

• Many people are going to be desperate financially by the time lockdown is over, redundancies, businesses going under, wage cuts, reduced hours.

The longer this goes on the worse we will all be.

Yes I support the lock down until the number of new infections comes down to a level that will be manageable through test, track and trace. This is the way out.

But countries like Australia and NZ who are doing this well have closed borders and robust public health responses from the onset.

The U.K. has a death rate (deaths/known cases) that is around 12% which means that the number of cases is at least 6X times the official number. (Bearing in mind the true death rate is unknown. South Korea is at about 2%, it’s probably lower than that though).

New cases need to be tracked from pre existing cases but that’s unrealistic if test, trace isolate isn’t happening now. Plus, borders are open- what’s the point?

That’s why wdd Ed have yo carry on with lockdown until the infection rate is lower. They seem to think in the BBC bees tonight that R= About 0.7, so new cases will fall. We have to wait it out for now.

Actually the UKs death rate is more like 14%. The number of cases is therefore at least a million. Test, trace isolate is unrealistic while borders are open and there is still some community movement.

yes I will support it - I am in the vunerable group (not extremely vunerable). I believe I caught the virus several weeks ago and spent several days really struggling to breath and not knowing whether I was going to wake up the next day. I am not enjoying this lockdown but I don't want to catch it again. I don't want my kids to catch it. I don't want their teachers to catch it because they have opened schools up prematurely. The Spanish Flu in 1918 killed far more people in the second wave in the following Autumn than it did in the first wave. So if we need to lockdown until the vaccine is out, then I'll support it.