NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

It's really interesting that both @LolaSmiles and @Alsohuman claim A&E has been repeatedly abused by people who do not require medical treatment. As if that in some way explains why heart attack and stroke patients are now avoiding hospital care. Yet neither poster is prepared to face the implication of this. Free at the point of access guarantees demand will exceed supply The solution to this is simple. Can either of you work out what that might be?

The reason heart attack and stroke patients are avoiding A&E (if they are) is because they’re terrified of being infected with a catastrophic virus. That’s pretty blindingly obvious.

and trying to blame front line health staff for people's inability to make a sensible choice

@LolaSmiles

It's really great to see you blaming people who are critically ill for feeling unable to access hospital treatment. You have made the accusation that people burden the NHS by going to A&E for frivolous reasons. Can you suggest an effective solution to the problem? It is very interesting that you have not once expressed concern about critically ill patients who do not want to burden the NHS. But you are keen to defend dancing nurses on duty. That is instructive about your ideological motives. And your priorities when it comes to the employees of the health service. And their patients.

is because they’re terrified of being infected with a catastrophic virus

@Alsohuman
That is not the only reason. Dr Anna Vondy said that patients were worried about being a burden to the NHS. By the way, the fact that you and Lola are uninterested in listening to an alternative view on this? That is revelatory about the insularity of your ideological position

The reason heart attack and stroke patients are avoiding A&E (if they are) is because they’re terrified of being infected with a catastrophic virus. That’s pretty blindingly obvious.
It is blindingly obvious.
We took DC in and believe me hospital was the last place we wanted to be during this, but we needed medical care, just as others who were there also needed medical care.

There's threads on Mumsnet outside Coronavirus times where someone asks if they should go to A&E for a minor injury and there's always two extreme camps:

1. Go to A&E because you'll be waiting for GP appointment, don't take any chances, no point going to minor injuries. I couldn't find paracetamol in the chemist and if you go to A&E they'll give you some and send you on your way.
2. How dare you consider using the health service. It's life or death only. I had an accident, partially severed my ankle off but waited 93 days to consider seeking any medical advice.

Those two extreme views are still going to exist in Coronavirus times too.

Meanwhile most sensible people look at health provision in their area and choose the most appropriate route.

I also don't doubt that just as there's some people who seem to think 'stay home' and avoid non-essential travel means 'go and meet your friends, see your boyfriend and pop to the shop for a lolly', there will be some who decide it means don't seek medical care, even though it's clearly specified that medical treatment is reasonable.

But you are keen to defend dancing nurses on duty. That is instructive about your ideological motives.
They have breaks and are entitled to use them.Nobody's been saying ignore your job to dance.

BovaryX

There has been misinformation and misunderstanding about what is and isn't allowed with regard to the NHS (A&E, and other departments).

None of this is the fault of the staff.

Nor is it the fault of the patients.

By the way, the fact that you and Lola are uninterested in listening to an alternative view on this?

We are listening, surely that’s obvious or we wouldn’t be engaging with you. We don’t agree because all you’re doing is criticising a heath system you don’t even have to use. Listening doesn’t mean agreeing. And you’re not proposing anything positive, just bitching.

Well said Fripp. It's why it's totally reasonable to have an interesting debate about policy and operational decisions (ideally I'd like it to be cross party too when it happens) without going on an ideological attack.

Alsohuman Indeed. But unfortunately as with people who are so certain their particular ideology and worldview is white, there can't be a reasonable discussion because anything that isn't "yes healthcare free at the point of delivery is rubbish" will be met with claims that we worship the NHS.

It only took countless pages for the real agenda to come out. It also explains why I thought a few pages ago it was like stepping into the Daily Mail.

I know, it’s a shame because I like a decent debate with intelligent people. I’ve even had my mind changed in the course of one or two.

In my opinion, BovaryX is making a lot of very valid points.

It’s not really a debate though when it’s just a page or ten of people copying and pasting previous posts.

MrsKypp
Some of them I have agreed with, for example it's good that staff have made what should be obvious abundantly clear: that if you require A&E you go.
I also think it's valid to have a sensible discussion about government responses to the pandemic, and it's also valid to discuss operational decisions in the NHS during this crisis.

What I don't get on board with is claiming staff aren't doing their jobs properly, wasting hours of shift time on dancing and the claiming anyone who challenges this must be some sort of NHS worshipper.

It's an illogical argument that goes along the lines of "if you challenge my point of view then that only proves I'm right, you're wrong and you're obviously either incapable of understanding or you don't care about (insert emotive topic here)". No rational discussion can be had with anyone who holds such entrenched views: be it objection to state healthcate free at the point of delivery, Brexit, immigration, vaccinations, big pharma or any other topic.

In my opinion, BovaryX is making a lot of very valid points

Thank you @MrsKypp. It's interesting that both Lola and Also have repeatedly accused people of going to A&E for no valid reason. They have both said this is a burden to the NHS. When asked for a solution to this problem? There is silence. I wonder why?

You’re so adept at putting words into others’ mouths @BoveryX. Not once have I used the word burden. In normal times people go to A&E for spurious reasons. I’ve provided you with a link to evidence this. The solution is clearly to educate them because they’re not turning up now. The message has got through. Although the closure of pubs and reduced traffic have obviously also had an effect.

BovaryX

you seem stuck in a rut and unable to see what is being said without twisting it to suit your narrative.

It's interesting that both Lola and Also have repeatedly accused people of going to A&E for no valid reason. hey have both said this is a burden to the NHS.
When asked for a solution to this problem? There is silence. I wonder why?

You're putting words into our mouths there, but that's a trend here. Nobody has called people a burden, but loving the additional bolding on anything emotive now.

I've said that there's been a push for years on educating people to make the most appropriate choices for health provision (eg. Not going to A&E when minor injuries us appropriate, going to the pharmacy instead of GP for minor ailments). That campaign has existed and still exists because some don't choose the most appropriate service. This has a knock on effect on patient care.

On the sides of some ambulances there were more education points on this. One that shocked me when I saw it said "you wouldn't call the coastguard if you fell in a puddle" another said "you wouldn't call the fire brigade to blow out a candle".

You're so blinded by your dislike for free at the point of delivery health that you're resorting to trying to put words in people's mouth to justify arguing against a health system in a country you don't even live in.

Understand the distaste. My mom works on a covid war and she said it makes her feel depressed. She also said the staff that do it have plenty more to do than stupid tik tok videos and that she doesn’t feel like doing so when there’s people dieing around her.

So embarrassing and cringe worthy

Do fuck off

Can I just say the only reason this one was posted to social media was for the Big Night In charity programme on BBC One - Peter Kay feature. Otherwise it wouldn’t have been posted publicly.

Also the use of PPE - we are wearing masks all the time, so not wasting. Plastic aprons and gloves are our usual wear anyway. The plastic face shields are washed, disinfected and reused as we only have a few on our department.

I’m sorry you feel this way but really we’re just trying to carry on as usual at work as baby’s don’t care if there is a pandemic.

EnlightenedOwl

the one i saw was one done by midwives at Bolton Hospital calling themselves madwives. promoted on facebook with a tag of "lets make this big." Dancing down the corridors to amarillo some of them wearing face visors and masks brought in as part of the fun. There were a lot of them and it went on fora while so it must have took some organising. Its pretty disgusting really

@EnlightenedOwl

Can I just say the only reason this one was posted to social media was for the Big Night In charity programme on BBC One - Peter Kay feature. Otherwise it wouldn’t have been posted publicly.

Also the use of PPE - we are wearing masks all the time, so not wasting. Plastic aprons and gloves are our usual wear anyway. The plastic face shields are washed, disinfected and reused as we only have a few on our department.

I’m sorry you feel this way but really we’re just trying to carry on as usual at work as baby’s don’t care if there is a pandemic.

If you are health professionals you have an absolute duty to behave responsibly. Put down the phones and be professional.

The point is also that the dancing videos would have been fun in happier times, but people are suffering horrendously, many are dying and people are losing loved ones right now - we are in the middle of a pandemic.

Now is just not the right time to be prancing around like that.

Well they appear to have stopped now, I haven't seen any on SM for days now so I imagine staff have been told not to continue.

The nurse has since deleted her TikToc.

Flame me all you like, but I don't see this as very funny.