NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

The 'policy' about care homes though not even entertaining the idea of hospital seems odd, I get the aspect that if a treatment would ultimately cause more suffering to the person and it is unlikely to be successful that it would be cruel; but Mary 1 lives in a care home, Mary 2 lives at home with her husband- both have the same health conditions and are the same age; Mary 2 would be considered for hospital treatment, might be denied it but has a chance, Mary 1 won't be. It assumes that everyone in a care home is very old, has a myriad of underlying health conditions and zero chance. Surely that isn't actually the case, and the policy just makes it easier as they aren't assessing individuals?

It is true what is happening in care homes and not just this country. my mum has been told the same about my Nana. Look it up online if u don't believe it. Care home workers are not medically trained but are left caring for the residents so as not to overwhelm the NHS. NHS nurses are privileged in comparison.
I say this as an NHS nurse working on a covid ward. Its hard,its heartbreaking and I am exhausted but it is also my job.
I and most of my workmates hate the stupid dancing videos they are beyond disrespectful and the one done in my hospital wasn't by covid ward staff it was done by bored nurses from other wards. dancing about recording themselves for Tik Tok look at us in our PPE never actually being near a covid patient. Fuck off idiots this is a very serious situation where people in the building are dying horribly. Fuck off with ur dancing when myself or my colleages are holding phones up to dying people to say their goodbyes. fuck off and stop being so unprofessional and making the rest of us look bad.
I work hard and I play hard...just not in hospital corridors in my PPE for maximum impact

It’s an excellent thing that A&E attendances have fallen so dramatically. Abuse of emergency care has been a huge issue for years, hopefully this will be a reset and it will be used properly now, rather than as a fallback for GP appointments.

Part of the reason, of course, is that pubs are closed - a lot of weekend attendances are drunks - and there are far fewer sports injuries and RTAs.

There’s also good news for cancer patients. inews.co.uk/news/health/covid-free-hubs-coronavirus-royal-college-surgeons-2549730

It’s an excellent thing that A&E attendances have fallen so dramatically

Is that why A&E doctors are expressing concern in the drastic reduction in heart attack and stroke patients who are not seeking medical help?

Abuse of emergency care has been a huge issue for years

If people are turning up to A&E when they don't require medical care, as you suggest, maybe there is something profoundly wrong with the free at access paradigm. Functioning health care systems, where insurance is a key component, do not have this problem.

^NHS England's medical director Stephen Powis said he was concerned by the reduced numbers.
"If you do have symptoms of stroke, chest pain and think it might be a heart attack, a sick child who is deteriorating, if you are a pregnant woman and the baby is not moving as much as it used to - it is important you don't delay," he said. He suggested the falling numbers were due to people worrying about bothering the NHS and fears of contracting coronavirus in a medical environment^.

Overworked there has been a huge effort to address potential end of life care planning for nursing home residents. Managers have been actively encouraged to open up discussions with patients who have capacity, and with families of those who don’t, about preferred place of care, DNACPR etc.
Sadly but predictably, the guidance and information had been misinterpreted and poorly applied. There are also significant regional variations.
Significant numbers of nursing home residents are frail and have underlying co morbidities which make them particularly vulnerable to a poor outcome if they contact Covid.
But blanket statements from care homes to say that they will not transfer or escalate care for ANY resident, regardless of the circumstances are wrong and I would urge ANY family with concerns to speak to their loved ones GP to discuss their individual concerns.

www.bbc.com/news/health-52417599

The Telegraph is reporting that patients were moved from hospital to care homes without checking of they had Covid.

In two damning policy documents published on 19 March and 2 April, officials told NHS hospitals to transfer any patients who no longer required hospital level treatment, and set out a blueprint for care homes to accept patients with Covid-19 or who had not even been tested. Analysis by the Telegraph suggests that the rate of coronavirus deaths accelerated more than twice as fast in care homes than in hospitals in the week beginning 7 April - two and a half weeks after the first policy document was published

Dr Jamie Wilson, founder of Hometouch, which provides care to people in their own homes, said: “I’m astonished at the lack of foresight of these policies. To mandate that care homes should take back Covid-positive patients with such a high risk of cross infection and high mortality rate in vulnerable residents seems unfathomable.”

The Telegraph is reporting that patients were moved from hospital to care homes without checking of they had Covid

Absolutely appalling - and because the government was limiting testing. Even front line HCPs weren’t being tested at that point. This government has an awful lot of blood on its hands.

The motive? A stiff broom to empty hospitals.

^a Whitehall official told the Telegraph that the policy to offload hospital patients was designed as a “stiff broom” to free up capacity in hospitals.
But care providers on Friday accused the Government of “reckless” behaviour which had “significantly” increased the number of coronavirus deaths in care homes^

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/24/care-homes-ordered-take-patients-suspected-coronavirus-nhs-hospitals/

OK, you’ve made your point. You don’t need to post every link you can find. We get it. We have a criminally negligent government.

The motive was to increase capacity in hospitals. You know. Where heart attack patients and cancer patients are not in attendance. But the posters on this thread like you are celebrating the fact hospitals are half empty. And nurses are dancing. Because you are incapable of grasping that dancing nurses on duty in a pandemic is not a sign of success. But a sign that the NHS is perceived as being closed to patients. Now NHS managers are begging for patients on the media. Clap. Clap. Clap.

I will post as many links as I like @Alsohuman. You don't like it? Don't read them.

But the posters on this thread like you are celebrating the fact hospitals are half empty. And nurses are dancing. Because you are incapable of grasping that dancing nurses on duty in a pandemic is not a sign of success

Nobody’s celebrating hospitals being half empty. We’d all quite rightly be outraged if cancer surgery was going ahead and those patients were contracting the virus and dying like flies. Equally if the same was happening to cardiac patients. The government quite clearly over estimated the impact on the NHS.

I don’t give a shit about nurses dancing because they’re completely irrelevant to the government’s mismanagement of this crisis. However much you might try to conflate two completely disparate issues, it doesn’t wash.

mismanagement of this crisis

I’m not entirely sure mismanagement is even the right word with respect to the management of non-covid patients. There is so much we still don’t know about this virus it’s a quickly changing picture.

Everything I read about the loss of other services seems to ignore the fact that based on what we’ve learnt so far we simply don’t know if the risk/benefits of running other services right now aren’t harmful. We just don’t know so how is anyone supposed to sign off on a leap of faith and just cross their fingers?

There have been some indications that perhaps HCP’s aren’t as high risk as we thought for fatalities but that’s based on a U.K. study and not something that’s been replicated consistently world wide. Same way some countries are having better results overall - it’s still not been consistently established why that is.

I think there are some very unrealistic expectations in play. It’s all very well standing on the side lines screaming about what should be done but that’s a position of not having to take responsibility for the good or bad outcome of any decision never mind implementing it.

I have plenty of support for the questions surrounding lack of PPE and our governments attitude to preparation (they’ve been warned on multiple occasions we’re not prepared for a large scale crisis although this was in the context of a terrorist attack involving respiratory casualties) but a lot of aspects had no template prepared.

nobody's celebrating hospitals being half empty

@Alsohuman

Hmm. But you wrote this five minutes ago.

It’s an excellent thing that A&E attendances have fallen so dramatically

NHS managers are now pleading on the media for patients to attend A&E. You and posters like you who think it's excellent people are not troubling A&E? When the inquiry into this fiasco concludes that the message protect the NHS contributed to deaths? And people who desperately needed medical care didn't seek it? Remember your words. And your determination to defend this dysfunctional cluster fuck.

Jeeze Bovary I’d suggest half an hour on a bouncy castle for you. Except where would you go if you sustained an injury ?

As a lead health professional I’m quite concerned about the current situation. The hospitals across the nation where I live are empty. Most staff have little work to do. Most older people are being pushed out to an already desperate situation with regards to paucity of care in the community. NHS staff are no more likely to catch Covid than the general population and at least have access to PPE which is more than many in the community. Time to dance = could be picking up care packages in the community!

If you’re going to quote me @BovaryX, at least have the decency and fairness to do so in full. I wrote It’s an excellent thing that A&E attendances have fallen so dramatically. Abuse of emergency care has been a huge issue for years, hopefully this will be a reset and it will be used properly now, rather than as a fallback for GP appointments

Not quite celebrating half empty hospitals, is it? The NHS has pleaded every winter for years for people to stop attending A&E for spurious reasons. Now they’re doing as they’re told.

Time to dance = could be picking up care packages in the community!

Ha! Like any NHS member of staff has the autonomy to do that. I would be interested to see how staff organised themselves given the opportunity.

My NHS (non clinical granted) workplace is so deeply entrenched in presentism we’re sitting around twiddling our thumbs whilst the managers pat themselves on the back for high staff attendance numbers. Even asking people to cancel annual leave without even thinking ahead that when services do pick up it’ll be manic and a load of annual leave is the last thing they’ll need to deal with.

There are lots of problems in the NHS but it isn’t at the levels people have a problem with on this thread.

Yes, totally agree!
NHS and Social Care should be merged so that the whole system is always looked at. I work with both so understand both and the NHS management structure is bloated in comparison to local government. Should be a National Care Service IMO.

Now they’re doing as they’re told

@Alsohuman

The media is now full of A&E doctors expressing concern about the absence of heart attack and stroke patients from hospital. Sky is reporting that the only sound in normally busy wards is clocks ticking. You are apparently incapable of grasping that this is a problem. Why do you think A&E doctors are begging for patients on the media?

Except where would you go if you sustained an injury ?

Thankfully I am in a country where health insurance is mandatory and health care is excellent.