NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

And this is what A&E departments were saying last year. What a pity people didn’t get the message then.

www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/youre-not-dying-stay-away-3012718

Thankfully I am in a country where health insurance is mandatory and health care is excellent.
Suddenly the endless criticism of the NHS and NHS staff on this thread makes sense.

You do realise that TikTok routines are a few seconds long? Hours of practise is hugely exaggerating what they are. You could easily do one in a 10 minute break, and I say that as a two left footed elephant personified. Like them or don't like them but don't exaggerate.

Perhaps it actually requires experience of a functioning health care system to understand how dysfunctional the NHS has become. Do any of the posters who were denying hospitals were quiet have any comment about the fact A&E doctors are now on the media begging for patients?

A&E doctors are now on the media begging for patients

They’re not begging for patients. They’re advising people with symptoms of life threatening illness to go to A&E, which is a different thing entirely.

i work at a gps surgery and refused to be in it. we can have a laugh and a chat to get through the day without looking like eejits on facebook. I do find them sweet sometimes but would feel wrong if i was was in one.
like fine go convice gps on their break to do a little dance but im sat here with 6 calls waiting and noone else to take them? ok

You do realise that TikTok routines are a few seconds long? Hours of practise is hugely exaggerating what they are. You could easily do one in a 10 minute break, and I say that as a two left footed elephant personified. Like them or don't like them but don't exaggerate.

Not the ones they’re doing you can’t. They take ages. Give it a go! We tried but to do ones of their quality took too long so we gave up.

They’re not begging for patients. They’re advising people with symptoms of life threatening illness to go to A&E, which is a different thing entirely.
Exactly. They're telling people who are actually unwell they need to seek appropriate medical care.

There's been a huge push on getting people to use the correct NHS service for years (eg don't go to A&E when it's really a GP issue, speak to a pharmacist for minor ailments rather than going to urgent care, go to minor injuries for likely sprains and fractures as they can do X rays).

By people selecting the correct level of care the NHS is in a better position to treat people appropriately. That's as true in normal times as it is now, just now there's a pandemic happening at the same time with associated challenges and problems.

Rockbird Unfortunately this thread has people claiming they highly doubt it was done on breaks, hours of time went into rehearsing (implied on work time), criticisms of staff on duty (again suggesting they're doing it instead of treating patients or doing their jobs), but if anyone points out that these things can be done on breaks so it's probably inflammatory doing the whole "evil HCP neglecting dying patients, doesn't anyone care" thing then all of a sudden it's not about the videos, it's about the NHS changing services, it's about the slogan protect the NHS, it's about the government mishandling things, and anyway some of you just worship the NHS when really it's crap, private healthcare is just so much better etc.

If you point out it's possible to be engaged in critique of government policy and operational decisions without whining about videos and suggesting staff are doing nothing then you're a worshiper of the NHS who doesn't care about people dying.

‘Thankfully I am in a country where health insurance is mandatory and health care is excellent.’

How long is it since you’ve actually received healthcare in the UK?
Intrigued as to what has motivated your anti NHS stance if you’re happy to share?

If you point out it's possible to be engaged in critique of government policy and operational decisions without whining about videos and suggesting staff are doing nothing then you're a worshiper of the NHS who doesn't care about people dying

Spot on, Lola. Here’s an example of what one of the posters on this thread said to me this week:

you seem to pretty much doubt anyone who suggests the NHS is anything other than the beloved firstborn of Jesus Christ and Father Christmas, is financially watertight, cannot be improved and we should stop the Thursday clapping and start genuflecting and flogging ourselves before it instead

they’re advising people with symptoms of life threatening illness to go to A&E, which is a different thing entirely

A couple of posts ago you were claiming it was excellent that there had been a drastic reduction in A&E visits. At the same time, A&E doctors are on Sky news expressing serious concerns about the absence of heart attack and stroke patients. If there is a problem with people using A&E when they don't require medical care? That is an indication the free at the point of access paradigm is flawed. If patients are avoiding hospital because they don't want to burden the NHS? That's a sign the system is flawed. But despite the multiple signs of serious flaws in the system, its cheerleaders and pot bangers continue to shout down criticism, justify lethal incompetence and encourage an attitude of simpering gratitude. This thread demonstrates all of the above.

@LolaSmiles

The fact that people with heart attacks and strokes are not seeking medical care is because they have internalised the protect the NHS message. That is what A&E doctors are saying on the media. Dancing nurses, half empty hospitals and the lethal consequence of treating a health care system which has serious, systemic flaws like a state religion.

Unless theres some poor soul out of shot about to breathe their last, waiting for the dancing nurses to cease prancing around to save their life, I cant see the problem

Theyre working under truly shite conditions. Its not their fault non urgent ops and procedures have been cancelled nor that fewer people are going to see docs or gps at the moment.

couple of posts ago you were claiming it was excellent that there had been a drastic reduction in A&E visits

It is excellent that people aren’t rocking up who don’t need to be there. If the only people who went there were those with life threatening illnesses, there would never have been winter crises.

To be honest people are just fed up by the dogged refusal to accept any criticism whatsoever and it has inevitably escalated. It’d been forgotten about had someone come out and apologised.

People can read the thread and see that you are trying to take it in a different direction to deflect from the issue being discussed.

Insert most other professionals instead of nurses into the TikToks and we’d be overwhelmed by damage limitation, apologies and behaviour reviews. The fact that there is the continuous message ‘we don’t care what you think, we will do what we like, how dare you criticise, everything is the governments fault’ does not look particularly good.

A couple of posts ago you were claiming it was excellent that there had been a drastic reduction in A&E visits

No I didn't.

I said:

It's also common bloody sense that in a pandemic they want to reduce and adapt certain services (and yes I do have questions about how some these operational decisions were made, I've had some things changed and cancelled, no I'm not some NHS worshipper policing the pot banging).
So:

• it's reasonable to change how services run in a pandemic
• it's reasonable to question operational decisions

Staying home and protecting the NHS isn't saying "don't go to A&E if you're having a heart attack". It's saying "don't go piss about having BBQs at friend's houses and day trips to the beach because we'd quite like the NHS not to be overwhelmed in order to be able to treat people".

For the NHS to protect its patients it needs people to avoid needless outings (for example the endless posts on here where people are defending going out for chocolate because they fancy some, or going to visit friends and family because they don't see the issue, or non-cohabiting couples living apart but still meeting up).

Unfortunately there's enough of the great British public who were told to avoid busy places and went off to beaches and tourist places the weekend before lockdown. Unfortunately there's people so stupid and selfish that they are scrambling to find ways they don't have to follow lockdown. That's why it's had to be shortened to 'stay home'.
So:

• stay at home doesn't mean don't seek medical care
• people have to stay home and avoid their unnecessary outings so the NHS has the capacity to treat people who need it

The NHS was able to protect and care for DC precisely because the majority of people are following lockdown. Following lockdown rules doesn't mean don't get medical help.

• Again, following lockdown down does not mean don't get medical help

And

Surely if someone needs to go to A&E they need to go.
As I said, my DC was poorly. I didn't sit at home in case some pot basher tutted. We went to hospital where we were seen and looked after.
I totally agree with him telling people if they have to go to A&E to go to A&E. That's common sense.
Again, people who need to go to A&E should.

And

People are honestly trying to blame health staff for people not going to A&E if they need to go.

People need to stay home to protect the NHS precisely so they can deal with Coronavirus and have staff available to treat those who need it. There's been campaigns for years about choosing the right health services for the ailment or illness. The same thing applies now as it always has done.

So there's nothing new in being told to choose the appropriate health provision.

Of course all of this is totally me saying how great empty A&E is.

But I think we have it here from you:
"That is an indication the free at the point of access paradigm is flawed.*
Your agenda is clear here.
You live somewhere with health insurance, have private care yourself and have an issue with having a health system free at the point of delivery.
It's ideological.

It is excellent that people aren’t rocking up who don’t need to be there. If the only people who went there were those with life threatening illnesses, there would never have been winter crises

Heart attack and stroke patients are not attending A&E. Is that excellent? If people are attending A&E who don't require medical care, the reason is its flawed free at the point of access paradigm. Which no other planet emulates.

No I didn't

Er, that reply wasn't to you. And that's why you were not tagged on it.

@LolaSmiles

Cross posted with this.

Dancing nurses, half empty hospitals and the lethal consequence of treating a health care system which has serious, systemic flaws like a state religion.

But despite the multiple signs of serious flaws in the system, its cheerleaders and pot bangers continue to shout down criticism, justify lethal incompetence and encourage an attitude of simpering gratitude. This thread demonstrates all of the above.

Many people are more than happy for operational decisions to be challenged.

What is ridiculous is your ideological issue with healthcare free at the point of delivery has meant you're jumping around left, right and centre, trying to argue that the NHS is crap and trying to blame front line health staff for people's inability to make a sensible choice surrounding their own health which has probably been influenced more by daily government briefings and slogans than a couple of dancing nurses.

Of course it’s ideological. BovaryX and Runningawaywiththecircus never miss an opportunity to denigrate the NHS.

Er, that reply wasn't to you. And that's why you were not tagged on it
Apologies. I'd said something very similar at a similar time.

Which no other planet emulates

Not Mars or Jupiter? Wow, that’s astonishing.

I wasn’t tagged either although I said it.

Of course it’s ideological. BovaryX and Runningawaywiththecircus never miss an opportunity to denigrate the NHS
Oh right. It's like that is it.

I don't venture into health threads often, but we have the same sort of pattern in education threads. No need to have sensible discussion and debate when it's possible to make grand claims and then argue anyone who challenges those claims must be worshipping schools/teachers like Gods, think schools are immune from criticism.

In which case there's zero point in trying to have any discussion because if it goes anything like the school ones any attempt to disagree only convinces the ideological ones/ones with chips on their shoulder of their own righteousness.

You should venture on to the more often Lola. It’s really nice to have some company.