NHS staff dancing..

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I couldn't see another tread on this. But if there is, please link it.

What's your opinion on this? AIBU to think this is in very bad taste?

Personally I prefer my doctors and nurses to be able to find something good in a really stressful time. It says to me that despite their very difficult position, they have the mental wellbeing and camaraderie to have a bit of a laugh and take a minute to destress. If I was really ill in hospital I would welcome a nurse with a sense of humour and still had some energy left to have a bit of a laugh and a joke.

That's fine but why social media

So we’re back to blaming patients again, despite the whole crux of the argument in the Spectator article you drew to our attention, being the flawed government message @RunningAwaywiththeCircus? And a plea in the extract I quoted above for ministers to adjust it? You know, that message front and centre of the daily press briefings that you’ve just been so critical of.

They are not going. Maybe because of the repeated chanting of Protect the NHS instead of the NHS protects its patients.
This perverse reversal is on explicit display in your posts
Protect the NHS is a government slogan.

It's also common bloody sense that in a pandemic they want to reduce and adapt certain services (and yes I do have questions about how some these operational decisions were made, I've had some things changed and cancelled, no I'm not some NHS worshipper policing the pot banging).

Staying home and protecting the NHS isn't saying "don't go to A&E if you're having a heart attack". It's saying "don't go piss about having BBQs at friend's houses and day trips to the beach because we'd quite like the NHS not to be overwhelmed in order to be able to treat people".

For the NHS to protect its patients it needs people to avoid needless outings (for example the endless posts on here where people are defending going out for chocolate because they fancy some, or going to visit friends and family because they don't see the issue, or non-cohabiting couples living apart but still meeting up).

Unfortunately there's enough of the great British public who were told to avoid busy places and went off to beaches and tourist places the weekend before lockdown. Unfortunately there's people so stupid and selfish that they are scrambling to find ways they don't have to follow lockdown. That's why it's had to be shortened to 'stay home'.

The NHS was able to protect and care for DC precisely because the majority of people are following lockdown. Following lockdown rules doesn't mean don't get medical help.

Blaming staff for the breathtakingly obvious consequences and perceptions of their actions

I don’t understand this. Could you explain what you mean, please?

Honestly don't like it.
BUT nothing to do me me they can crack on as long as it doesn't turn into one of those thing where you are nominated and have to do it.

If they want o why not .

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus but by your logic Blaming staff for the breathtakingly obvious consequences and perceptions of their actions surely patients seeing dancing healthcare staff would think they aren’t busy so why should I stay away? Some people on this thread, you included, are just using this as an excuse to put the boot in about NHS staff. Those workers on videos have absolutely nothing to do with the governments decision to stop services. They are simply trying to get people to smile in a trying time, they are not responsible for cancellations or patients failing to seek medical advice and it’s stupid to suggest the two are related.

A minority find the videos distasteful and that’s fine, people are welcome to their own opinion, but the vast majority enjoy them hence there popularity and the inclusion of them on mainstream tv including the fundraiser last night and also why trusts continue to do them and the NMC GMC has not issued guidance against it.

If any of my family were to die on a covid ward on their own because it's not allowed for us to be with them if be devestated. If I saw a tik tok video of nurses dancing in the corridors of the same hospital id be furious

The amount of people dying in care homes not admitted to hospital is shocking also. If my gran ends up one of them and then I see a video of dancing nurses from the local hospital on social media I definatly would be furious. It's distasteful. The nurses doing it probably think it's harmless not out to upset anyone but a lot of people would get upset.
I would hate to see a backlash against our nurses because of some fooling around on social media.

@Tonz, why would it matter to you what was happening in a hospital because your gran was in a care home?

It matters to me because if she caught covid she would be left to die in the care home and not admitted to hospital because apparently the hospital are prioritising patients. It's happening right now in care homes around the world right now. My gran has worked the majority of her life and paid into a system that she won't be able to use. That's why it matters to me

It would also matter to me if I had a relative in a care home left to die because hospital isn't accepting them then saw them doing a dance routine. It's a slap in the face actually. Too busy to take care home patients but not to busy to make dance routines. That's the message these tik tok videos are sending out. Yes I know it's not always the case but some of these care home residents that have died already might have been saved of given a chance in hospital

She’d be better off dying in a care home. I moved heaven and earth not to have my mum admitted to hospital. They’re dreadful places if you’re old at the best of times.

Maybe your right but she should be offered the choice

And you don’t know she wouldn’t, the whole thing’s hypothetical.

We've been prepared for what will happen if covid infects her care home and have already been told she will be cared for where she is. Left to die pretty much. Its extremely upsetting for my mum to hear that the hospital won't be helping her mother because that have to prioritise patients. I really hope no one gets infected where she is and that it stays hypothetical.

Our local trust has had a 'whistleblower' go to the press to say pleas stop sending in food. An appeal was made by a group of drs/workers for food / drinks/ toiletries as they couldn't get to shops. The hospital were inundated and what resulted was staff taking home bags and bags of food and food also rotting away. So many local businesses clamouring to drop off food and drinks and have the standard non suicidal distancing compliant press photo. All this whilst vulnerable and poorer families in the same neighbourhood were reporting that they were struggling and trying to survive on basic rations. The photos of masses of free food and drink, nurses dancing around, total lack of social distancing, pleas for food/ drink/ shopping slots, tik tok videos being made does not reflect the reality. It it's a real error of judgement.

It sometimes feels like living in a parallel universe, and the 'protect the nhs' message has come from the government to place responsibility on us, the gunners of the nhs, to also bow9 protect it by stop using it. Very bizarre and dangerous inversion going on.

Sorry for the typos, that should say funders of the nhs. Fat fingers!!

Littlebluetruck - did you read the sentences before the one you posted?

My FIL died just three weeks ago.
My grandma is seriously ill in hospital right now. It's probably 50/50 as to whether she will ever leave hospital to go home again.

If so, then you'd know what I posted and what I was saying. Rather than taking one sentence out of its context to highlight.

Tonz your family need to speak again to tour Nans GP. People are not being left to die in Care Homes and it’s awful for you as a family to believe that’s what lies ahead of you. Hospitals are not anywhere near capacity. There are still many ventilated ICU beds available. But
frail and elderly patients with underlying illness will often not benefit from being transferred to hospital. In fact it can often cause more distress and suffering. Aggressive interventions can cause more harm than good if, for example a patient already has underlying kidney disease or heart disease. Ventilation is an incredibly invasive procedure which involved deep sedation and invasive procedures which may ultimately be absolutely futile.
But you need to have more conversations to make sure that you and your Nan can have a plan of care in place IF she does become ill.

Dying Matters and Hospice UK websites are sources of some incredibly useful resources.

Now the upper echelons of the NHS are going public and asking people to attend A&E if they require medical help. A&E attendance has fallen by 50 percent. People don't want to be a burden and have internalized the warped message that the NHS is the priority. Not the patients it serves. How many people have died as a consequence? How many cancer patients will die as a consequence?

Recent research found four in 10 people are too worried about being a burden on the NHS to seek help from their GP. NHS chief executive Sir Simon Stevens stressed the health service is still there for non-coronavirus patients who might be suffering from a stroke, heart attack, and other potentially fatal conditions

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-fears-people-are-not-seeking-urgent-care-as-a-e-visits-fall-by-50-11978513