Other deaths being recorded as Coronavirus

[Annamaria14]

Hello, my friend is a nurse. She told me that she is questioning the deaths which are being recorded as Coronavirus. She said that she had a patient dying of Cancer, but it was recorded as Coronavirus

I saw another nurse here on mumsnet say the same thing. She said that she had a patient that was dying of cancer, but they recorded it as Coronavirus.

What do you think?

I am actually really gobsmacked at you calling me a neo nazi. What a crazy conclusion to jump to

@Mumof1I so in that situation, would the cause of death be recorded as sepsis?

So if a terminal cancer patient developed sepsis and died sooner than expected it would be 1a sepsis, 1b bowel cancer. In Scotland we also record duration of the issues cited. Not sure if that's different in England.
But you are correct it can be very difficult per say an end of life patient becomes unwell with an acute illness on top.

@Annamaria14

Ah I see, it's your friends and family that are protestors? Doesn't make it any better. You still said you stand with them (twice now).

Those protestors were still waving confederate flags, carrying guns and holding swastikas at that trump rally, sorry 'protest'. They were still shouting abuse at nurses. They still blocked ambulances with sick people wanting to get to the hospital. They still placed themselves and their community in danger of contracting a deadly disease.

The fact that you personally didn't hold up a swastika doesn't mitigate the fact that you stand by people who do. The fact that you didn't personally wave a confederate flag doesn't change anything when you support people who have these views.

Frankly, if any of my friends or family supported people doing those things or behaved so irresponsibly and placed me and my children in danger I wouldn't be supportive of them. I would be ashamed of them. But then again I was brought up that nazis and racists are not good people to tie your colours too.

Don't want to be considered a racist idiot? Don't uphold their behaviour. As my nana used to say when you lie down with dogs you will come up with fleas.

Did you read past that headline @northern?

The article itself actually explains why...

@startrek90 I am really not sure how you are not grasping this.

You saw some neo nazi people on the telly, protesting , who were holding guns and swastikas.

I know people in the USA who are NOT neo nazis, and do NOR have swastikas - WHO are also protesting.

Do you think that because you saw neo nazis on tv protesting, that that makes everyone in America who is protesting against restrictions - a neo nazi.

Your logic is so bizarre. I can't even.

For the record , I don't know or have ever met any neo nazis in my life

I'm calling bullshit.

No way does the OP have friends.

Klonda wins the thread

Total recorded UK deaths is 17,000. New York City alone has more than 10,000. That's now starting to level out and drop because of the lockdown.

@Klonda because you don't have any, don't take it out on the rest of us

I don’t think anyone is lying . This is a situation we have never been in before .

So what do the public want : the figures of people who have actually died prematurely because of covoid 19 so we can have a track of what is happening and the people it is affecting

Or the actual underlying cause that meant that covoid 19 was more likely to affect their death And ignore it was the virus that shortened their lives ?

It’s a sort of no win situation .

I have just lost 2 relatives within a week . Both had the virus plus a lot of underlying health problems . One has covoid 19 on the death certificate the other one did not

Hence why I think blaming everything on the government is quite frankly pathetic. It’s obviously open to interpretation and no doubt that has happened in other countries as well .

@Lemonblast. Just wanted to say good post .

I am not blaming anyone except the virus .

This is a massive learning curve for the whole world . And it’s going to cost us all dearly .

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Why would the government lie to control us ?

The government don’t want a shut down which is ruining an economy ?

I believe the figures are if anything are under reported . People who have died may be old and have underlying serious illnesses but that does not mean they did not have more years ahead of them . A lot of cancer victims are not old .

It’s interpretation not a plot .

But if some one is already in the process of dying - they have a terminal disease - why class that death as Coronavirus.

If someone with a terminal illness got run over by a bus and died would you say it wasn't the bus that killed them?

1. I think this government is far too incompetent to pull off a conspiracy of this size.

1. Not only would our government have to pull it off but they would also have to be in cahoots with other governments worldwide (and we've all seen how good they are at agreeing on things with other countries cf Brexit).

SusieOwl4

Dont be daft, the conservative government has been dying to shut down the economy, massively subsidize wages and house the homeless population. Any excuse to implement Boris's well-established socialist ideals.

WakeUpSmeltCoffee
That's not quite right re causes of death.
It would be:
1a Covid
11 Cancer
Anything in 1b would be considered to have 'led' to 1a so directly caused it. So someone could die of Sepsis in 1a and if there was nothing recorded in 1b (what caused the sepsis) that death would be referred to the Coroner.
The cancer wouldn't cause Covid but would be referred to in 11 as an underlying condition that may or may not have contributed to the death.

Mumof1l
Yes, in England and Wales there is provision for the duration of the illness to be recorded on the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death. Sometimes it is there, sometimes not.
But these times are not recorded on the Death Certificate.

I don't know why but for the last two nights that are giving the figures for previous years. We've got the highest death rate in 20 years, counting from March.

We are up 8'000 people dying than other years. Normally around 400 would die in care homes, we've had more than a thousand. So over double.

466 people have died at home and that is also double.

We've never had medical staff die like this.

Considering the measures that we have put in place, that's still a big leap. We will see a bigger leap from this month.

But i have took comfort from only being up 8'000.

Annamaria14 what's your position (and that of your nurse friends) on the shape of the earth? Globe or Flat? How about the New World Order? Are they really lizards disguised as humans?

Sorry *WokeUpSmeltCoffee
Misread - yes what you said is correct.
You said 2 and I'm used to seeing it as 11

@LastTrainEast wow, so original! I don't believe in any of those. I haven't asked my nurse friend, amazingly we have othet things to talk about.

Actually how would that make sense. If a person believed in a conspiracy theory, that means that they believe in all conspiracy theories? How would that make sense, it doesn't does it.

Put a little thought and intelligence into what you are saying

How many have died again?

Ultimately it will be a lot less than would have done if the current measures had not been put in place.

This is like the Millenium bug. People saying it was a fuss about nothing because nothing major happened, conveniently forgetting that lots of people worked very hard fixing things to make sure that nothing major happened.

I think it’s far more likely to be the opposite. The Government want to keep the figures as low as possible!

I agree. That would far better suit them to show they are doing a good job of dealing with it.

OP do you really believe that the (frankly amazing doctors) are reporting deaths as Covid 19 inaccurately so that the government can keep us at home and destroy our economy? Why would a doctor do that? Not every patient will go via the coroner route but a doctor must complete paperwork.

Here are the instructions for reporting cause of death during this Time

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf