Other deaths being recorded as Coronavirus

[Annamaria14]

Hello, my friend is a nurse. She told me that she is questioning the deaths which are being recorded as Coronavirus. She said that she had a patient dying of Cancer, but it was recorded as Coronavirus

I saw another nurse here on mumsnet say the same thing. She said that she had a patient that was dying of cancer, but they recorded it as Coronavirus.

What do you think?

Hingeandbracket the ‘friendwhoisanurse’ is now also posting on the thread

Because all I see is numerous human rights being taken away
Which ones exactly?
That in itself, is control
OK, why do you think they are doing that - to suggest it's "just for control" doesn't make any logical sense. Unless you thing they are all lizards or something.

It's 'a lot'. Two separate words. And you really think all the world's governments are doing this to 'control' everyone and purposely tank the global economy? To what end?

I'm currently 8 months pregnant. I've had many a meltdown about the current situation so by all means you can add me to the list of people where this has effected their mental health. My OH is self employed so we have zero income coming from him right now (until June anyway) as I'm about to go on MAT leave. Even then, I understand completely why the decision was made.

To add, my Mum is a type 1 diabetic and only recently got over an extremely bad bout of pneumonia. I watched my Nan have 28 hospital admissions due to severe COPD whenever she just picked up a cold - let alone a completely unknown virus her body had never seen before -
the risk to the vulnerable is very real.

You can question what you like. Clearly no amount of examples as to why this isn't being done to control us is going to persuade you, and that's entirely your right.

I think we've figured out who's been sabotaging 5G phone masts...

In all seriousness, I absolutely think this government is a bunch of lying, arse-covering, self-interested wankers. However the medical side of the pandemic reporting is being done by medical professionals, who on the whole, I trust.

I think not including the care-home deaths and those that die at home in the official figures is negligent / criminal however - much like Trump's refusal to allow an infected cruise ship to dock for medical help as it would 'increase his figures'. Twat.

Quizzly I think that we are totally playing catch up in terms of recognising the impact of care home and community deaths.
The focus was always on secondary care/ICU capacity and primary care settings were not considered properly in the ‘planning’
Do I think it was deliberate? No.
Do I think healthcare experts, epidemiologists etc got everything right? Absolutely not.

Am I being unreasonable to be disappointed that I don't have a friend who is a nurse? (I have a funny rash I would like some advice on)

Misses point of thread

Am I being unreasonable to be disappointed that I don't have a friend who is a nurse?

Well you can always just make one up like most of the people who claim they have such a friend.

@Fairyliz - can highly recommend...usually the darkest/driest sense of humours you can find out there. I'm 3rd generation nursing stock - I definitely have to think about what I joke about before I say it

I agree with the USA protesters. Dear God, these people walk among us.

FWIW I think the US is heading for civil war, so if you agree with them you should really think about what that means....

at the very least, the Government completely over reacted, with no thought given to people's economic,mental or social wellbeing

Yeah, a massive lack of PPE, not closing restaurants/leisure centres/schools etc until long after other countries have done and it was recommended, the PM himself boasting about shaking hands with people with C-19 that all screams over reaction does it? Rather the opposite if you ask me.

I think governments lie, of course they do. But a difference of opinion between nation states on how to report deaths as well as an ability to understand that cause of death is often a complex question doesn't in any way mean I trust Boris and his cronies or any government implicitly.

This is the thing with conspiracy theorists, it's always so laughably black and white.

I find the US protestors absolutely fascinating. They seem to be the same ilk as anti-vaccination types, but they also seem to be the same as pro-gun types, and those two types don’t seem to mix ? I wish one of the American mommy blogger types I follow on Instagram as a type of blood-sport would reveal themselves as one of them protestor types, they are uniformly quite religious and blonde with 4+ kids but all have differing stances of vaccinations and guns and abortion, and all seem to be embracing lockdown as a way to show off their crafting and baking skils

They seem to be the same ilk as anti-vaccination types, but they also seem to be the same as pro-gun types, and those two types don’t seem to mix

I've seen quite a lot of crossover between these groups. All comes under the umbrella of the government trying to control us and the need to protect freedoms. Also the same people who think fluoride in the water is mind control and, of course, chemtrails.

@dappledthings you might be right there. I’ve just searched social media for a high profile type of this Ilk and all I can find is Tomi Lahren. They also all seem to be massively against Bill Gates ?

Ah yes. Bill Gates who is trying to kill us all. With his microchip vaccine which is the mark of the beast as predicted in Revelations.

@AlternativePerspective Totally agree that the USA is heading for civil war. I just cannot comprehend so much about American society and attitudes.

The devil is in the detail. I’ve noticed the official statement from the government each day states “the number of people who have died after testing positive for Coronavirus is xxx”. That’s semantically different from “the number of people who have died because of Coronavirus”.

It’s a set up.

@AlternativePerspective we have been heading for civil war for some time. Long before Coronavirus came into the scene.

It's not a bloody set up.

It's the consistent measure used to track infection rates. Most countries use a variant of it, and adding community cases, tested or otherwise was always going to be slower given the differences in reporting methods. It was never intended to be the official number of COVID deaths, in any country. It was played that way by a number of people who knew better but didn't care, as long as they could cast aspersions.

As has been explained a few times... Here in the UK hospital deaths are reported via hospital systems and can, therefore, be collated daily.

In the community they are reported via all sorts of individuals, smaller organisations, surgeries etc. Registrar's do what they have always done, the numbers are reported publicy on a weekly basis.

The ONS give weekly analysis of trends and will, when all of this is over, be able to explain the various reasons for increased excess mortality rates, which is far more complex than you might imagine.

But is not a set up, cover up or anything like it.

Bugger, posted too soon.

It's likely the US has similar reporting strands, do you know, Britwife?

Yabu deaths are understated imo

I'm kind of weirdly fascinated by this thread. Many thanks to the previous posters who explained about death certificates, I have had the great fortune of never seeing a death certificate so didn't know that information.

@Annamaria14

I am afraid that when you said you stand with the confederate flag waving, swastika displaying protesters in the USA I totally switched off.

I realise that is intolerant of me but I cannot listen to or care about the opinions of anyone who chooses to align themselves with neonatzi and racists who carry guns around and threaten armed insurrection. The only Ray of hope as far as I am concerned is that people like you and these protestor will get sick and refuse to go to the hospital (because you know, covid 19 is not real) and you can thin out your numbers. I reckon that would be a great benefit to society as a whole when all this is over.

Harsh, but it's how I feel and I also have the freedom to say what I think. Fortunately for you and your fellow American idiots, Dr's and nurses are far better and more compassionate than me and so I am sure will treat you despite the contempt and disrespect you and your fellow protestors have shown them.

Death certs can have a primary cause and subsequent causes.
Is 1a covid 19 ( patient maybe died febrile with a positive swab having had increased respirstory symtpoms)
1b bowel cancer.
As PP said a patients death can he hastened by a short illness despite a terminal diagnosis, commonly we see this with sepsis as more vulnerable to this due to disease process and treatments compromising their immunity .

@startrek90 wow what a jump to a crazy conclusion.
Wtf are you talking about. I don't support any neo nazis.

I am talking about friends and cousins that I have in the States, who are protesting. I agree with them. I just returned from the states, right before this lockdown. Many different groups are protesting over there

@startrek90 maybe talk to people in the States, instead of just watching the news! You know that the news are only going to show the most dramatic moments - the extremists.

Other people in the States are protesting too