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AIBU?

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To argue with the ILs?

158 replies

CaptainShakespeare · 17/04/2020 23:44

ILs and I fundamentally disagree about religion (they're strict Catholics, I'm atheist). After a few heated exchanges when DH and I first got together (instigated by them) we've all silently agreed to a truce where we usually just don't mention it. Fine by me.

The only time it comes up nowadays is when they pester us to send the DCs to Catholic school. And also when they want the DCs baptised. And when they want us to go to church at Christmas. So actually, thinking about it, quite a lot. I have a standard response which I use to shut the conversation down along the lines of 'I'm not going to argue/explain why that's not happening because we won't agree and we don't need to agree as it's a decision for DH and me only.' This is usually enough to halt any potential argument, albeit with bad grace from their side.

We have a WhatsApp group with DH's immediate family. Tonight MIL has sent a joke about atheists that I find really enraging. The inference of the joke is that atheists are smug and stupid. MIL has followed up the joke with an explanation that she finds it so funny because the atheist subject has been 'put in his place' for 'thinking he knows best.' No acknowledgement that everyone with an opinion 'thinks they know best;' that's what faith or belief is!

For some reason it's really pissed me off. I want to say something. Maybe point out that I could reverse the joke to make it the same point against Catholics, but I wouldn't send that to her as it would be rude and upsetting to her.

For context, the group is MIL, FIL, their 2 adult DC and me. Neither DH nor his brother are religious, so it's not like it's a part of a family culture they all share that I've come in to. Also for context, generally aside from this we have a good relationship.

WIBU to say something? Is it the job of the DIL to step back in this situation because it's not 'my' family? Or do I have just as much right to say it's rude as MIL does to say it?

If this was a one off I'd let it go. It just feels like a constant imbalance where the only reason we aren't constantly arguing about this is I've learned not to react, not to retaliate, ignore and be nice, but to be honest I don't see why that's my role.

They're people who take great offence to being called out or criticised, but are perfectly happy to share their strong opinions themselves. If they were my friends I'd take a 'sauce for the goose' approach and say my piece, but am I expected to act differently because it's my ILs?

OP posts:
Atleastthedoglovesme · 19/04/2020 18:46

Just ignore them....people like this start wars. Don't engage with idiots.

YinMnBlue · 19/04/2020 18:47

To argue that there is no god to anyone religious is offensive

Of course it isn’t offensive.
It isn’t offensive to state your POV based on your own observations or opinion in a calm and respectful manner.

It would be offensive to insult someone religious on the basis of their faith, insult the focus of their faith simply for being that god or prophet (for example), or dismiss their own beliefs / opinion / faith in an insulting manner.

It cannot be offensive to disagree with someone or not share their belief and people of faith and none have equal rights, in a democracy, to express their thoughts.

That is the fundamental basis of free speech.

CatherinedeBourgh · 19/04/2020 19:00

I would respond with the 'religion is like a penis' meme

religion is like a penis

mummmy2017 · 19/04/2020 19:41

It's more a case of who created GOD, is a question they flounder over.
Meaning they hate you asking.

Windyatthebeach · 19/04/2020 19:42

I found a great way to get ils to stfu.
The night ds announced at tea he had his first pubes they didn't utter a damn word..
Grin

Bumblebee6789 · 19/04/2020 19:55

I would want to reply, ‘wow that’s not a very Christian thing to say is it?’, then just go silent.
In reality it’s probably better to just ignore them, or leave the group.

lynzpynz · 19/04/2020 20:07

A nice person wouldn't provoke others, find it amusing to' put them in their place', and wouldn't stomp off or attempt to use emotional manipulation to force someone to agree with them / silence them. How anyone could think that would convince someone to convert to their brand of religion is beyond me! PIL sound appalling and (i'd guess) one of the pick and choose self-righteous 'religious' people who follow the bits that aren't inconvenient, and use it as a stick to smugly beat others with from their self-built pedestal?

Youre calmer than me OP, I would bite every time and tell them how out of order they were being for constantly trying to force their views on others or paint them to be 'less' than them. I'd well have fallen out with them by now and wouldn't give a shit. If DH didn't step up and have a word with them to stop being so provocative, I'd do it. No way in hell would I allow them to behave like this with no consequences. I'd tell them if they didn't stop with their snide digs they'll be seeing less and less of you as you're sick of their rude and passive-aggressive behaviour. Sometimes the cumulation of subtle, subversive digs can be worse than outright obvious ones.

iswhois · 19/04/2020 21:03

I would just leave the group chat

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