Boris and the Virus

[Fatasfooook]

Intensive care at the crossroads of life and death, 3 days later suited and booted and giving speeches. Fishy or what?

Theres a lunar distance between healthy scepticism of politics (in general, across all parties) and propagating childish conspiracy theories about someone's health

What makes me think it was a bit dodgy was he was reported to be enjoying the grounds of Chequers or whatever it is, alongside pregnant fiancee and his dickhead dog. Already, like?
I really don't trust the Tories so nothing would surprise me much anyway.

You're not a conspiracy luvver for questioning the ethics of an already proven bullshitting Government either.

Fatasfooook

Give him a break? Are you joking? He voted against a wage rise for the nhs 2 years ago. Then cheered when the vote won. His crap approach to the pandemic had resulted in deaths in the tens of thousands, numbers still rising, he fakes an illness to “ride from the dead” at Easter. He laughed and called the efforts to source respirators “operation last gasp”
He’s doing his best is he? This country astounds me with what the people accept as someone’s best.

With you on this one 100%

You're a loon.

I cannot beleive BJ had ECMO and was in for only 1 week. I think it is what it says on the tin. He had oxygen, as did the famous 39 year old who was all over social media. She found it scary and thought she was close to death why should Boris Johnson feel differently.

but we've already established they haven't lied because they haven't said anything - apparently because of patient confidentiality. You're going round in circles. @soupdragon

Tara Jane Langston

Basically, the people who think it's all lies are basing it on their belief that he doesn't look ill enough. Presumably they are utilising their years of medical training to come to this conclusion so I'd like to know what their medical qualifications are. I'm guessing that these are the same people who complained about him being "missing in action" shortly before he went into hospital.

what rational question have you asked and not got an answer?

Even if he was "faking" hmm - are we supposed to believe that all the doctors, nurses, everyone at the hospital are covering up too?
Why would they all do that?
How on such a scale as well?

Somebody asked similar questions upthread as well

but we've already established they haven't lied because they haven't said anything - apparently because of patient confidentiality. You're going round in circles. @soupdragon**

🙄 if you say so.

You are talking bollocks of course.

I'm looking forward to hearing about your medical qualifications.

no, i'm basing it mainly on the fact that he's a proven liar who I wouldn't trust to housesit, let alone run the country @soupdragon

He always looks rough - that's his whole thing.

What makes me think it was a bit dodgy was he was reported to be enjoying the grounds of Chequers or whatever it is, alongside pregnant fiancee and his dickhead dog. Already, like?

I'd have thought if you're recovering from being in hospital, getting a bit of fresh air would be good for you?
How long should we be in bed for?
Dickhead dog
blardy hell

I don't think there's anything fishy - it is just indicative of the (well founded) distrust of the government. While he was in and government spokespeople were all saying 'Gosh, he's in fine fettle' everyone assumed they meant that they were covering up that he was at death's door, then they said 'It could have gone either way' and unsurprisingly everyone's 'Huh, couldn't have been that bad'

I suspect the truth is he had a middling-to-bad case that anyone else would not have not have been admitted to hospital for, they took him in as a precaution and gave him lots of extra support, and now he should probably rest for a few weeks like someone else who's had a middling case of it at home would.

It would have been so much better and more trustworthy if they'd said 'Yes, he's feeling pretty awful actually, but he should be OK' rather than pretending he was just fine.

I heard that he wasn't ill at all but actually spent the whole time on holiday at Chequers riding around on a polo pony hunting poor people with a double barrelled shotgun. Not that the main stream media will publish that.

'You can still be incredibly ill and not require ventilation, so that doesn't contradict the BJ story at all. Also, intensive care can be used colloquially for both ICU and HDU. Some hospitals have combined ICU/HDUs and others have several specialist ICU/HDU units.'

This ^

Intensive care staff would not stand by and allow him to either waste a bed or lie about being in one in the first place. Arterial lines need to be managed in ICU/hdu, these show accurate blood oxygenation levels. It is quite believable that he was on the brink and turned the corner just before requiring more support.

I am now more interested in why his dog is a dickhead than any of the bonkers theories about Boris's health.

I'm not really one for paying attention to lazy insults @soupdragon. They're usually a sign the poster's argument has completely run out of steam. Although I'm sure you're different and you have 100 reasons why everyone should believe Boris

I don't mean the people who wish him well at all, obviously I myself hoped he recovered fine, I mean the virtual army that's defending his honour and leaping down everyone's throats, enraged that anyone would even SUGGEST dear BoJo is capable of lying or deceit...unthinkable.

Yes, why is the dog a dickhead?!

@Echobelly

Exactly, he didn't have pneumonia. It sounded a lot like what I went through except that my DH had to help me to start breathing normally again with the help of his asthma inhaler, and the use of a lot of decongestants. The paramedics advised him over the phone but he had to do it himself, turn me onto my stomach in a position where I could cough or puke as necessary.

It was quite galling when they said he didn't have pneumonia and never needed a ventilator.

Not that the main stream media will publish that

This thread's getting more batshit
It says it all when something that's clearly tongue in cheek is right up there with the stuff people are coming out with in their conspiracies, it's getting hard to distinguish between the piss takers and the people who take that sort of stuff seriously

Yes, why is the dog a dickhead?

Yeah, I mean what did the poor dog do?!

quite why @Howmanysleepsnow did all that training to become a medically qualified professional when apparently it it just as easy to decide how well someone is by a quick glance over on a 5 minute video...

to your nursing skills though how

Leaving aside other arguments, what purpose would it serve for Boris to have feigned serious illness? What would be his reason for doing so - bearing in mind that the risk of it being leaked would be enormous.

You can't tell me that anyone sensible could believe Boris having been ill will make non-Tories change their vote - that 4 years hence people will say 'I'm voting Conservative because Boris had Corona in 2020 and recovered from it".

He would have nothing to gain from malingering, but a heck of a lot to lose - there's simply no reason for him to have faked this.