Does anyone actually think we are getting the 80%

[ChrissieKeller61]

By whatever method ... been chatting to business owners on linkedin and there is a growing feeling that they've no intention of paying this and it's literally a bone been thrown to stop the plebs rioting whilst the lockdown occurs. The USA and Australia have put actual money into peoples accounts. We have been given interest occurring holidays and a promise

What a load of scaremongering nonsense. Stop trying to wind people up.

Oblov - The backdating bit applies to people like a friend of mine who runs a café. The week before restaurants were ordered to close she had almost no customers (despite offering a take away service) so she closed and made all her staff redundant. When furlough was announced she was able to re-employ them and put them on furlough so she can back date her claim to the date they were laid off.

We have monthly and weekly paid staff too. Our monthly paid office staff were actually furloughed from Monday 23rd March (most volunteered as they could see there was no work and it was not safe to come into the office) so we will clam from that date working out pro rate the amount that covers 23rd - 31st March. Some of our weekly paid staff came in that week but as sites closed and they were sent home I have a note of the date each of them were actually furloughed from. Again for those who were furloughed mid week I will work it out pro rata.

It's actually taking less time than doing the normal weekly time sheets!

Yes. Got it ComeAway. Makes sense.
Yes. I can calculate all that easily.

Many thanks.

Most of my staff were from Monday 30th March. A couple a few days before. Work just dried up. Dead as a dodo.

But the trouble is there was minimal work from beginning of March. So we were affected. Minimal sales. No overtime!

So, what period are you claiming up until?

Just for April? (And a tiny bit of match?) or April and May?

How many submissions can you make?

If I only claimed for April. I would be hacked off if I was told I couldn't make a second request for May.

Just stop stirring things. The emails from HMRC about starting up the furlough application process are being received now, and you can already start submitting information of who, when, etc. If you are in business and operating a PAYE scheme you would know this.

I think you can claim every 3 weeks. How long until will be the boss’s decision. We’ve currently got 1 office, me plus 5 site staff still working on essential government buildings.

We're claiming from March (21st I think) to end April on the 20th when it opens. I think that would be fine for "shortly before payroll" but anything further I don't think would be allowed?

You can make a claim per pay period - so weekly you can claim weekly, monthly you can claim monthly

QforCucumber do you know whether doing a backdate for March/April in one is acceptable? Can't see anything but the info coming out seems to be coming out staggered. I'm presuming so otherwise monthly payers would be stuck in arrears?

I'd guess that when the portal opens you do one per payroll to catch up with the ones you have and then add as you go along but I don't think anyone knows yet, wait for further instructions would be the best/only thing to do

It does say in the guidance they expect the claims to include backdated payment for the first while so going to assume April's claim for example will be March and april. So far I've got 226 to do next week, I may cry if its not straightforward

Has anyone on here who is self employed received the HMRC letter yet confirming eligibility? DH self employed - sole trader, but hasn’t heard from HMRC who said they would be writing out.

Nothing re self employed here. I wasn't expecting to hear yet though

@Livelovebehappy It will be mid-may before hmrc write to the self employed.

Are yours all one payroll Q? At least if it is, or any of them are over 100, you can upload. Doing it manually is going to be a mega ballache

@QforCucumber 226 employees or businesses? I e got a feeling it will be straight forward.

@userxx @StatisticallyChallenged 226 companies, mainly small businesses too so need to be uploaded manually, I've got my team working on it and also pinched the accounting apprentices so sure will all be fine. Let's just hope the system can cope with it.

@QforCucumber Early night for you on Sunday I think 😏.

I'm quite looking forward to it but Im sad like that and I have nowhere near the number you have. I'm having a slight panic as realised I haven't got agent authorisation for one of the clients who desperately needs the funds. Shit.

Quite worrying how many business can't pay one months money out do none of them have money to cover a month where business is bad or money put up for the tax bill they can pay later or business rates or arrange overdraft with bank as money will get paid back . If I had a business I would be looking at paying my employees before paying any other type of bill

There's a bad month and then there's a complete shut down with zero income.

Most have savings for the former and insurance for the circuit which would cover the latter, only it's not paying out

For many they have had very limited income in march and nothing in April so it's more like 2 months.

You try even speaking to a bank about w business overdraft right now.

Circumstances not circuit. Stupid phone

@userxx worth asking if they have their own government gateway account and doing it for them through that? Never know you might get lucky.

I lost £40,000 in actual billing’s on day one. Work I’d fine for 4 months that I won’t be paid for. Then an additional £80,000 of pipeline I’d spent 6 months building. It’s not called unprecedented for nothing

Most businesses also don't start with huge amounts of money in the bank. It takes time - and lots of it - to build up a buffer. If your profit margin is say 10% before tax which isn't unusual, and that 10% is also the income for the owner, then it takes a long time to have months of expenses in the bank

DD is furloughed, she gets paid 4 weekly and was paid her 80% today (Stonegate pub company). I'm sure that the government will eventually pay companies the 80%, but I'd imagine that it will take a while and be needlessly complicated, like with everything else government related.