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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

OP posts:
mortforya · 13/04/2020 01:14

I'm sorry op but she does not sound like she is overbearing at all. To be honest it sounds more like you and your dh are very inpatient, have low tolerance for others differences and maybe this is due to being sleep deprived with a new baby or have you always being like this.
I think you need to stop looking at everything she says and does as irritating and maybe try to look these things as endearing, it's her way and her quirks. Maybe look at yoga or other ways where you and your dh can lower you stress levels. Look at this experience as a blessing in disguise as it has brought to your attention just exactly how inpatient you both are. Work together now to become more tolerant and patient as these are both two very important attributes to parenting, good luck op, I wish you the best

Summersunandoranges · 13/04/2020 01:22

Oh god you have my deepest sympathies! This would be my DGM.

There is probably lots and lots of little things that are getting on every bodies nerves. Another body in your personal space is hard work then to add there has always been tension.

We could be in lock down for quite some time. I’d consider getting that stuff out of the loft and asking her to go home

Randomword6 · 13/04/2020 01:29

I totally sympathise OP. Even calm, constructive people can get on people's nerves and you are stuck with someone who is clearly neither of those things. I am surprised at Mortforya, their advice would make me feel even worse if I were you. I had my first baby at a difficult time (not as bad as this) and I know how intense things can be.
I would call the whole thing a double bind. If you do take her home, you will have to make it clear that it is long term. I wouldn't be averse to telling her one of you is ill so she would be forced to stay away.
It is a long process to deal with guilt, no one who says "just don't do this or just do this" has a clue in my view. I am not saying it isn't possible to deal with this, just that it is not simple.

JKScot4 · 13/04/2020 02:36

Fuck me! only on MN when someone is at the end of their tether would they be told to do YOGA 🤣🤣🤣

AnnUumellemahaye · 13/04/2020 02:49

Look at this experience as a blessing in disguise as it has brought to your attention just exactly how inpatient you both are. Work together now to become more tolerant and patient as these are both two very important attributes to parenting

😂

Weenurse · 13/04/2020 02:50

Get the utilities put on and move her for the sake of your marriage.

Topseyt · 13/04/2020 02:56

Ignore mortfoya. What an unbelievable post. You are being driven to distraction by someone in your household but you have to do YOGA with them!! Laughable.

I think she sounds very overbearing. It would drive me round the bend. I'm afraid I would have to ask her to move into her flat, for everyone's sanity.

It is possible to move house at the moment, though I am not certain of any specific rules surrounding it.

Thepigeonsarecoming · 13/04/2020 03:01

@mortforya did you really say that in a serious voice?

Of course you should be frustrated, this sounds horrendous. You may not be able to ask her to leave though, but you can ask her to calm her shit down!

Mascotte · 13/04/2020 03:09

I think you should say to her that it’s time for her to move to her own place. You should be enjoying this time with your baby. And able to relax at home. It’s too much to expect a lengthy enforced stay with anyone in your home to be good in my book, never mind a tricky mother!

Don’t risk your relationship and nice time with your baby for her. No need yo be unpleasant. Moving out will give her something to do to distract her too. And you are not responsible for your mother.

Mascotte · 13/04/2020 03:11

But if that doesn’t work then - altogether now!- Ommmmmmmm 😂

Topseyt · 13/04/2020 03:13

And the suggestion that OP should practise parenting techniques on her mother is hilarious. 🤣😂

BerylReader · 13/04/2020 03:18

I miss my parents and would love to be able to see them and hug them but within an hour they’d be driving me mad again and our family would not be as relaxed. Move her out. Or see if there is someone who does yoga who will take her in 😉

user1473878824 · 13/04/2020 03:31

I see your mum’s on Mumsnet as @mortforya, OP.

JESUS you are a brilliant daughter I could t have done any of this. Not surprised you want her gone.

WellThisisabitWeird · 13/04/2020 03:40

Being cooped up together is often awful. Being isolated alone is also often awful. Flowers

TKAAHUARTG · 13/04/2020 04:01

Surely she can’t go anywhere now. What is the point of anyone isolating if others just decide on a whim to move households or travel unnecessarily. Many people are stressed OP with our new normal. She does not sound so bad, why would anyone else need to understand your baby’s cues? You say you have space for her because she helped you buy your house. You made your bed and all that, you can’t accept her money then kick her out when the going gets tough.

mathanxiety · 13/04/2020 04:05

Just pack her crockery and other stuff including all the extra cooking items she has bought in your car and schlep her to London. Drop her at her flat and wave goodbye.

Her friends can decide for themselves if they want to move in with her. They are adults and can make their own decisions.

Tell her it's time to move to her own place, don't ask her.

  • Is your husband normally a tetchy man?
mathanxiety · 13/04/2020 04:06

...why would anyone else need to understand your baby’s cues?

Because doing it wrong with the baby means the OP has to stop what she is doing (housework or seeing to her own wfh job) and settle a baby who has been unnecessarily upset.

Keeva2017 · 13/04/2020 04:17

Mortfoya is clearly projecting Op please don’t even read that post it’s so fucking condescending!

She’s not homeless or incapable, kick her out ( not literally ) and maybe she’ll appreciate you more when this is all over.

TKAAHUARTG · 13/04/2020 04:44

Because doing it wrong with the baby means the OP has to stop what she is doing (housework or seeing to her own wfh job) and settle a baby who has been unnecessarily upset But the OP is complaining that she doesn’t bring the baby to her, but rather tries to soothe the baby herself. I really can’t see anything wrong with that myself, but the OP does not like it and most people would in normal circumstances be looking after their babies themselves at 12 weeks, so the OP could just do it herself? I am sure it is frustrating, but the OP made the decision. She can’t just change her mind now.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 13/04/2020 04:56

mortfoya you are either the op's mother - or you have lost the plot. Practise yoga with a newborn and a marriage about to implode?? Are you having a laugh?
OP you need to tell your mother this arrangement is not working and she needs to move to out and into her own flat. If she's capable of travelling around the world she can manage on her own in her own place.
Your marriage is the priority right now. YANBU

Angelw · 13/04/2020 05:10

What @mortforya said.
Also remember that one day this will come to an end and hope you won’t look back and wish you were more accommodating.
Good luck.

GrumpyHoonMain · 13/04/2020 05:29

Your dh was fine to take money off her when he wanted it. This is part of the payback.

JazzyTheDog · 13/04/2020 05:31

OP I do sympathise, although it sounds more like a clash of personalities than your mother being hard work, and some of your complaints make you sound a bit more “hard work” than she is. Your baby is not her responsibility so it’s not up to her to check his nappy or cart him around so you can feed him - thats your job or your husband’s job and you only have one child so it can’t be that hard especially as your husband is also at home. And how much exactly did she “help” you buy your house and what conditions were attached to that, is her staying with you assumed she can if she financed some of your house?

However I do think it would be VERY difficult to be in this situation, especially for your husband. Your irritations seem fairly petty and minor but the situation were in is magnifying every minor annoyance for families across the world.

I do think you need to sit down with your husband and discuss how you can get her to move to her own place while putting it POSITIVELY to her. And as your husband seems to be living in a nice house that she helped you buy he might need to be reminded to be grateful for it instead of making her feel unwelcome (if she realises) and you being caught in the middle of wanting her to be safe and your family situation happy.

AvalancheKit · 13/04/2020 05:42

Is she a hippy? A flower child, ex-CND supporter, is her flat stocked with pictures of fantasy art and did she smoke a lot when you were kids?

SoloMummy · 13/04/2020 05:53

She can't go anywhere, so those suggesting it are clearly ignoring the very clear guidelines.

If she went - against the guidelines - she'd be at increased risk of catching the virus and dying. Let's be blunt op, how would you manage that guilt?

None of what you've listed sounds toxic. She's in her 70s. Not liable to garden for you. Is managing baby in a very typical manner, you're the mother not her!

Your husband is being unreasonable. I get that you're suffering from the lockdown effect, but if your husband is genuinely going to risk your marriage then he was never going to be a longterm forever man to be blunt! And would have likely been the same over the baby!

Yabu.