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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

OP posts:
Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/04/2020 07:51

Apologies op meant to delete last bit and say no real advise about mother apart as until lockdown lifted you are probably stuck with her.

Alwaystwomagpies · 13/04/2020 07:51

I get you OP and I can well imagine your mum.

My MIL is the same and although individual stories of events sound minor when it is constant it is so frustrating and exhausting.

My MIL also came to live with us when the kids were tiny for one reason or another and it drove me up the wall. I just couldn’t relax at all.
Every time I’d get the baby and toddler to sleep and then do a job like clean the kitchen Id go to loo and come back to find she had decided to make a pavlova or some random food and got every utensil out, made an absolute mess and then wake the baby with the food processor.
It’s very wearing.

But if you send her to a London flat you know she will go out and about, she may very well get corona virus and she may well become quite ill. You know the upset and guilt of that would be enormous so tbh you have got to just grit your teeth and get on with it.

Big massive sympathies from me. Living closely with someone outside your own unit is incredibly hard even if they are easy going and you get on well with them.

As a suggestion- is there any room to make her a more separate area of the house at all?
Even if it means sacrificing eg your living room I wonder if it would be worth it to give you both some divided living space? Even some evenings or meals away from each other would be respite.

Also use your hour outside each day to have time with your DH and baby alone and both get it all off your chests and talk to each other.

Good luck.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/04/2020 07:52

Aldo with a12 week ds I imahine you are on maternity leave anyway.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:53

I would love to just look after 12 week old exclusively - he is a darling and the light in my life - as well as an amazing sleeper, thank god- but I have a business I’m trying to save - woth employees who also have children and a book on deadline to a publisher on top of all the above, so please put judging pants away on that front.

OP posts:
Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:54

@Northernsoulgirl45 nope- see above. I’ve come back early from the maternity I paid myself because I want my employees to still have jobs at the end of this shit storm.

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missyB1 · 13/04/2020 07:55

Look lockdown is difficult, especially if there is someone staying in the house that doesn’t normally live there. I’ve got an adult son home who does a million irritating things a day! But we’ve all got to get through this.

I know having a tiny baby is a very special but also very stressful time, so having a houseguest at this time is far from ideal. Lay some boundaries with baby, have a routine and don’t let grandma disrupt that. But also appreciate the fact that you can pop and have a shower and also eat and drink, because a lot of us struggled with just doing those things with a 12 week old!
This is an unprecedented and frankly shitty time for the world, we just have to accept a lot of things in our lives right now will not be how we wanted them to be.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:59

@Alwaystwomagpies thanks for sharing.
@missyB1 totally I know. I just wanted to let off steam. It is what it is!

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JudyCoolibar · 13/04/2020 08:01

@TKAAHUARTG, moving house is one of the permissible exceptions to the lockdown rules.

ChrissieKeller61 · 13/04/2020 08:02

I can step back and smile because i don't have a little baby or a husband. She doesn't sound awful but the whole situation is awful and everyone's nerves are fraught. Yoga is one idea but honestly if it was me i'd be out with DS and DH walking the streets from dawn til dusk and then when you get home have your lovely cooked tea waiting for you. Not sure what else to suggest tbh.

Tenebrae · 13/04/2020 08:03

I would love to meet your DM, she sounds like a real character, but I can see that she must be annoying to live with - especially in present circumstances. She sounds a bit unconventional but a lot of fun.

I don't think you should have taken her money though, if you fundamentally dislike and resent her. I am not saying that you don't have good grounds, as obviously none of us know the true situation, but you are all getting on each other's nerves - that much is clear.

She should not be making unnecessary trips to the shops, but perhaps it is her way of escaping the pressure cooker atmosphere. She must know that you and DH don't want her there and probably feels quite uncomfortable.

CtrlU · 13/04/2020 08:04

I’d tell her to sling her bloody hook!

It’s a difficault time right now and you need to feel safe and secure and at ease at home. Not wound up and walking on eggshells

IndecentFeminist · 13/04/2020 08:05

She sounds like a pain, but tbh you took money from her to buy that home. She doesn't sound toxic, just annoying. Your husband isn't working and you have one very small child, you have a lot more help around the house than many.

RandomSelection · 13/04/2020 08:05

From your update your mum does sound toxic. She left your brother alone in another country? How old was he? And she left you homeless at 16? Without going into details, my dad was about as toxic as they come so I cannot for the life of me understand why you would a) take her money and b) why you would allow her to stay with you even for one day if she is as toxic and awful as you are saying.

JudyCoolibar · 13/04/2020 08:06

She can't go anywhere, so those suggesting it are clearly ignoring the very clear guidelines

@Solomummy, have you read what the law actually says? Have a look at section 6(2)(l), which sets out moving house in the list of permissible reasons for going out.

NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite · 13/04/2020 08:06

It is possible to move house at the moment, though I am not certain of any specific rules surrounding it.
Yes, you can move house still. If you aren't moving to a vacant house the Govt advised deferring moving if you can but, if you can't, to just observe social distancing.

In your case, OP, she could definitely move into her studio flat in London. Just get her crockery out of the loft and move her for the sake of your marriage. Set her up on Skype/Zoom or similar and make regular contact.

I'd be a bit worried about this statement:
"She tells me she can’t move because she doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with."
You don't think she sees living with you as a permanent situation, do you?

footprintsintheslow · 13/04/2020 08:09

I think your mum should live with @mortforya

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 13/04/2020 08:09

Hey, just look at it as practice for when you have a teenager. Mine are messy, unhelpful, scatty, bake unnecessary creations that then don’t get eaten (48 Nutella brownies...), if they ‘play’ with the dogs or their little brother it always ends in tears, and although I am a managing to keep them indoors during lockdown not a day goes by that they don’t try and push it.

I appreciate there’s a history here and believe me some of my gripes about my own mother sound so petty written down so I do get it. But these aren’t normal times and I think you need to find ways to get along/laugh her foibles off.

NewToRenting · 13/04/2020 08:12

Parents can be -annoying- difficult at the best of times...generation gap, different way of doing things, becoming set in their ways with age, unwilling to accept that they are no longer in charge. Sounds like she belongs to a different culture as well, so more reasons to clash.

If you can't get over her past misdeeds, then really you should not have invited her. I think you need to focus on the here and now.

You're stuck with her for now, so focus on the positives. She's taking care of the baby while you work. You have to get up to settle the baby when she can't manage, but surely if she wasn't around, your work would suffer even more?

She's cooking for your family. If she wasn't around, you would have to do that too - still less time for your work.

Maybe cooking is her way of filling up her day, if you are both working and presumably baby napping a lot, then how do you expect her to entertain herself? Maybe get her some online subscriptions (Netflix or similar), books...whatever she likes?

Things like telling you to use a rake...learn to ignore, or tell her nicely that you prefer doing it your way. I have a tween who (tries to) tell me how to do things Wink so I understand your irritation.

In your place, I would sit her down and explain that your husband doesn't like x, y, z (be sure you've agreed this with him beforehand!). Set ground rules for stuff that you are not willing to compromise on (like multiple shopping trips). Above all, be nice. She's elderly, has been very generous to you, and is trying (albeit clumsily) to help your household.

RoseCaterpillar · 13/04/2020 08:13

OP, I am by no means medically trained however, similar to another poster up thread who mentioned concerns about your mother repeatedly buying things you already have, many of the things you have mentioned reminded me of my Nanna before she was diagnosed with dementia/Alzheimer's. You mentioned forgetfulness however the repeated buying of the same thing/fixation on something also. My Nanna would say things which seemed annoying, they were roughly related to the subject but not fully appropriate to the context of the situation. Similar to your mum she knows you are gardening and so will speak of something roughly gardening related like the rake but not fully appropriate to the context, also the baby she knows he is upset but cannot fully process what is wrong but knows babies need winding so this is her go to.

I hope that this doesn't upset you and like I said I am only speaking from my own experience and in no way have any medical training, but it may be worth looking at this from another angle. Good luck.

Mascotte · 13/04/2020 08:15

You are not responsible for your mother. She’s an adult. If she chooses to ignore the rules and have to move to her own flat then the consequences of that are hers and hers alone. You do not need to feel guilty!

I do think her moving there is the best way to preserve any sort of relationship in the future. At the very least you should be very clear that she’s going at the end of this lockdown, and that meantime she must stick to the rules of your house. With all you’ve got going on even a normal flu would be pretty disastrous.

I understand where you’re coming from because of my parents. It’s really hard to understand for people with “normal” parents. It’s still emotional neglect even if it’s wrapped up in oh she’s just a bit eccentric and you must do everything for her.

Therapy has helped me detach a lot from my guilt and distress about mine. I offer help but set boundaries and if those can’t be agreed then that’s their choice.

JinglingHellsBells · 13/04/2020 08:15

If your mum can be moved to a home of her own, and once there she will continue to self isolate, the allow her to go.

The guidance says no unnecessary travel. I don't see how you are infringing these guidelines - it is more essential than holidays which I KNOW people are still doing ( a holiday cottage we cancelled is still showing bookings for this week) or travelling to see friends and relatives and standing 6 ft away. (That for me is more of rule bending thing.)

You are supposed to mix with no one except your family. If she goes home to live alone and gets online food etc or gets help if she is listed as vulnerable, surely that is okay? She is not going to live with anyone else.

lmcneil003 · 13/04/2020 08:16

Kick her out. Put your own health first. Most likely she will NOT get COVID, but you have the beginning of mental illness.
Value your health and that of your family. She needs to go.

JinglingHellsBells · 13/04/2020 08:18

But if you send her to a London flat you know she will go out and about, she may very well get corona virus and she may well become quite ill. You know the upset and guilt of that would be enormous so tbh you have got to just grit your teeth and get on with it.

This is emotional blackmailing!

Her mum is an adult. She does not have to go out and if she does, the risk is hers.

The OP already has a 12 week old baby. That is her focus and responsibility. When did anyone have to also parent a 73 year old?

BlueTuesday20 · 13/04/2020 08:25

OP, your Mum is a health risk to the rest of your household because she keeps popping to the shops.

Also, I don't see why it is your responsibility to ship her belongings back from India.

Ask for the keys to her new place, make sure it is set up ok to live in. Then set a date for her to move in. And stick to it.

WingBingo · 13/04/2020 08:26

@Angliski you have my absolute sympathies

Your mum sounds exactly like mine in so many ways. It’s like you’re not a relevant person and any requests or questions are ignored if they do not fit with her opinion or narrative.

Trying to tell her any of this would be pointless too.