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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

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Ohtherewearethen · 13/04/2020 08:28

Yoga is one idea but honestly if it was me i'd be out with DS and DH walking the streets from dawn til dusk and then when you get home have your lovely cooked tea waiting for you. Not sure what else to suggest tbh.

I'm not sure if you're aware but there is a global Corona virus pandemic at the moment so the country is on lockdown. Which means we have to stay indoors as much as possible. Walking the streets from dusk til dawn with a retired husband and small baby has got to be one of the most ridiculous suggestions since yoga in comment one.

OP it sounds unbearable. You've had a lifetime with your mother but sure, strangers in Mumsnet know her better than you. Even families with great relationships are struggling at the moment. We have no idea how long it will last either so it's hard to focus on 'it's not for long'. Realistically you don't have many options. It sounds like your mum is unlikely to change now so trying to set ground rules might not work as you ultimately can't change her personality. Sending her to her own place in London could be an option but she has to be responsible for her own health and it doesn't sound like she will observe the lock down rules. It might just be that your only choice is to try to grin and bear it for another few weeks. Is she happy there or is she desperate to get back to London?
This would drive me round the bend and you have my sympathies, you really do. If you can't charge her maybe you could try to change the way you react to her, just for the time being, to try to create a more tolerable living situation. Oh, good luck.

worriedmama1980 · 13/04/2020 08:32

I think there's two things to consider.

First, the fact is that a lot of people with difficult relationships with their parents find having their own child can bring things to a head. They look back on periods they had written off as benign neglect, realise they couldn't act as their parent did to their own child, and it causes a lot of self reflection. Harder to do that with the parent living with you and being generally unhelpful. So if you're facing something similar, it might be worth considering therapy, which I think you can still have remotely, or at least accepting this is a particularly volatile time for you.

Secondly is her age. My parents are impossible to reason with and do completely odd things, so I do understand the particular frustration of that, but they are entirely well-motivated. However they're also in their seventies. They had planned doing childcare one day a week for me, they really love their grandchild, but they really weren't able and didn't want to admit that. They didn't remember having a baby that age, gave me lots of advise while not actually accepting how it was impractical. My parents would both struggle to kneel down in the garden, and are more forgetful. She's navigating an unfamiliar house and kitchen, the multiple bottles of sesame oil might be as much age and forgetfulness as not caring.

Renovating a house, living with a small child in a pandemic, trying to work- these are all stressful things regardless of the pandemic. I think you need to reflect on your expectations of her helping firstly- she clearly will in no way be a help to you. So you have to think about what boundaries you can put in place to make having her there manageable. Or, come to another arrangement. But it sounds like her presence is not the only stressful thing and both you and your husband sound like your using it as the source of all your woes.

ChrissieKeller61 · 13/04/2020 08:33

There's no time limit on how long you can exercise for. Dusk til Dawn is fine.
HTH

Stuckupsnob · 13/04/2020 08:38

Your mother sounds like she has a screw loose, or she’s from another planet. I had a MIL like this, it’s very hard to deal with. Thankfully she never lived with us, only for a week when my first child was born. That was bad enough.

Not sure how to help, but you have my utmost sympathy.

Beautiful3 · 13/04/2020 08:49

Sorry but she sounds okay to me. Thinj shed just getting on your nerves a bit! All this is temporary and it will soon be over, dobt worry. Now is not a good time to move into an unfurnished bedsit. She ll need all the basics e.g. tv, fridge, freezer, bed, sofa, kitchen white goods! Think youre being a little harsh here.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 08:51

@Tenebrae @NewToRenting this is good advice thank you.

@RoseCaterpillar yes I wondered that too. Partly she is just a bit scatty and doesn’t look properly for things but I do think there are health and memory concerns. This morning, I am trying to ask her to make a list of things she needs for the flat so we can sort through what we have here and she feels ready for a move. She is hbo bg fun with baby and I have my ailing puss on my knee.

I have a relationship woth her because she is my mum. Whatever her faults and struggles you only get one. I owe it to her to take care of her and make sure she is alright. It’s my brothers choice not to do this and I accept that.

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 08:52

@Beautiful3 it’s not unfurnished. It’s fully equipped! She needs a few towels and sheets and cook wares from upstairs plus I would sort food and spices etc from our provisions and a big shop. But realistically I just have to live with it I think because I cannot live with her being sick and alone.

My big worry is her wandering around shops and bringing virus home.

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lmcneil003 · 13/04/2020 08:53

@Ohtherewearethen

I'm not sure if you're aware but there is a global Corona virus pandemic at the moment so the country is on lockdown.

I wasn't aware of this. Please tell me more.

Neveranynamesleft · 13/04/2020 08:53

Get her stuff out of the loft , pack it into a car, give her your car if you have to or pay for a taxi if you have to but send her to her flat . Do it for your sanity. Straight out of your house into her own. If she is a well seasoned traveller I see no reason why she wouldnt cope in her own company, with or without crockery. She would drive me batty. As for the comments about her giving you money towards your house, that is in the past and cannot be held against you now as blackmail, nobody could foresee anything like this happening.

Mortforya - pack your bags cause you're going with her.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 08:57

@WingBingo thanks for understanding
@Ohtherewearethen @worriedmama1980 I do think I have to work hard on my response to her. I know she is trying her best. It is triggering but I do think it is a chance to learn and grow and I know that I chose the situation.

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Livelovebehappy · 13/04/2020 09:00

It won’t be forever op. We’re all having our patience tested unfortunately. I’m wfh but obviously with my DH now 24/7 and after over 25 years of marriage I’m learning things about him that really irritate me! Because we are in this forced situation, small irritants are magnified. You have my sympathy because although I love my dm to bits, I couldn’t be with her 24/7 for extended periods without turning to drink, but I guess in these weird times, if I had to have her with us, I would just have to tolerate it, pray lockdown is over soon and bite my lip til it bleeds!

Sillyscrabblegames · 13/04/2020 09:01

She is going to be annoying. You are probably annoying her too.
But you all took the decision to do things this way during lockdown so I don't think you should back out now. The idea of evicting a 73 year old mid lockdown is pretty poor tbh.

Learn to look the other way and remember that this will all be over soon enough.

purpledress88 · 13/04/2020 09:06

I know the examples I gave might not seem like much to people it’s very very difficult to convey just what a complex character she is

Don't worry op, I get it. In fact, without wishing to be over-dramatic, your post sent chills down my spine ; when you describe your mother, it's as if you are describing my late mil too. The complex character: very wilful, manipulative, intelligent, independent, impulsive and extremely domineering on the one hand, and almost toddler-like, impractical, needy, contrary, and completely lacking in common sense on the other. Competent , decisive and dynamic over something that interests and affects her (world travel?) , and conveniently incompetent and scatter brained when it comes to something that feels too much like hard work (such as the harder aspects of looking after small children).

She is similar right down to the packing up of the house! Me and my DH have done this for my mil three times now (long story), and the flat where she last lived (now occupied half the time by another family member) looks like it is going to have to be sorted out by us again in the near future, and a storage unit. And I don't think I have recovered from the time spent cleaning and packing up their house in the uk when (similar to you) I kept coming downstairs to find that she had unpacked yet another box that we had packed the night before! The piece de resistance was when she unpacked the kitchen boxes to cook the removals men on the morning of the move, a full English breakfast, leaving greasy saucepans, grease spattered work services and grill, plates and cutlery, which had all been cleaned and packed up the day before . An "essentially benign" act one may say for the removal men. But it was also deliberately obstructive and disruptive given that my DH had travelled from abroad and given up days of unpaid holiday to help her move and not only did she not lift a finger to help ( she alternated between becoming hysterical or sitting in a chair criticising everything was being done incorrectly) she put obstacle after obstacle in our path, even though the move had been initiated by her, as she wanted to go and live in a different sunnier country!

I feel every sympathy for you. Unless you have experienced having someone like this in your close family, and even worse have had to live with them for long periods of time, then you can't understand how hugely frustrating, utterly exhausting and demoralising the experience can be.

We thought that my mil was "essentially benign" too, and in her earlier years, she may have been. But looking back, my dh and I, like you and your dh I suspect, were too naieve, too dutiful, too willing to help and we did not put enough boundaries in place. Ultimately, we had to, when her erratic and selfish behaviour impacted directly on our DD, and I suggest you do the same before the situation deteriorates any further.

In fact I would suggest reading up on FOG - fear obligation and guilt (it is a thing) and then look at your mother's behaviour again with a more dispassionate eye.

Personally I wouldn't have accepted her money to help buy your house as it makes asking her to leave very difficult and makes you financially beholden. But had that not been the case, and having been through a similar experience, I would ask her to go without hesitation.

I'm afraid it is a classic manipulator's move to give you money for your own house and imply that they are happy to downsize to a small flat in London and live alone there, and then when the time comes , to claim that they don't have enough furnishings and they want to live with someone else. Did she mention needing to live with someone before the two new properties were acquired? ? I can hazard a guess that she didn't.

If she was independent and healthy enough to travel extensively recently, why is she not well enough to live in her studio flat now?

Op I am sure that what I am saying goes against the grain as you sound kind, sensible and well-meaning. But I am saying it as someone who has a close and loving family themselves and who understands the importance of close family relationships, and who (ordinarily) is not in the habit of suggesting people go "low contact" or "no contact" with their mothers! But that is precisely why it took me so long to work out that my mil was being manipulative as I had never encountered anyone like her before. You are so close to her, it is perhaps difficult to look at this situation dispassionately. Unless your mil has a mh issue or some sort of impending dementia, her behwviour is manipulative in the extreme. People who genuinely love one another are selfless, they try and make your life less difficult, even when it inconveniences them. They don't tey and frustrate you at every turn.

Most important of all, despite the love and obligation you feel for your mother, please do NOT let her actions and behaviour destroy your relationship with your DH and disrupt the precious early months and years with your baby son. Flowers

Zoeyclash · 13/04/2020 09:11

Sorry - you lost me when you mentioned your sick cat.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 09:23

@Livelovebehappy I am on the gin!
@purpledress88 thank you for sharing and understanding. It’s a very difficult thing to explain to someone who hasn’t met her. Anyone who has, gets it immediately!

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 09:23

@Zoeyclash not sure what you mean? He needs to be put to sleep today and it’s extremely sad a she is a precious member of the family. It’s not something I take lightly :(

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Staypositivepeople · 13/04/2020 09:25

Sorry op ,I didn’t read in your message anything particularly awful about her.
She helped you pay for your current home..I think you would be very cruel to kick her out now.

picklemewalnuts · 13/04/2020 09:30

I've had to stop reading w thirds of the way through because I'm getting the rage on your behalf.

I don't know what you should do, OP. You might want to ask on the Stately homes threads- they know about mothers like yours. Don't listen to all the 'ah, she's your mum hun, you only have one' posters. She's a self centred and possibly narcissistic woman who is oblivious to anyone's needs and wants except her own.

For people who haven't been paying attention this woman is
Above the law
Exempt from tax
Views the baby as a toy
Abandoned her children
Prioritises Social life over family well being.

SentimentalKiller · 13/04/2020 09:34

I would help her move to the flat
She sounds incapable of considering anybody needs other than her own. A wealthy, entitled and selfish woman who has treated her children badly. Putting money into your house doesn't change that
Put your family first. Do you think she would tiptoe around on egg shells for you?

Doobababarah · 13/04/2020 09:34

Pack up a self hire van with her stuff and take her to her flat. Dreadful woman Flowers

Rabblemum · 13/04/2020 09:34

You sound great.

I get the feeling you’ve always been the “grown up” and this means you’ve become a great mum and a very down to earth, logical person.

Your mum needs to go, help her as much as you can and keep in a lot of contact.

Your mum sounds bonkers, annoying and totally crazy. In her way she sounds rather magical and funny but not someone who should be around babies be given any kind of responsibility. She sounds like the ultimate flower child who probably shouldn’t have had kids. She’ll be easier to love when she’s living a long way from you.

Beansandcoffee · 13/04/2020 09:35

As she helped you and your H to buy, what sounds like, a house that is way beyond your budget then I’m afraid you either suck it up it or sell your house and give her back her money so that she can live in a property that is bigger than a studio flat in London.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 09:38

I just got a text from her in the next door room- it says ‘baby asleep, please collect’.

She is very funny and artsy and I do appreciate that about her but arrrggghhhhh

I completely understand those who are saying - you got loads of cash, suck it up. I cna understand why you would say that. There is also a consideration that on her death this money would have come to me and sibling anyway minus death duties so consider to a tax efficient saving on her part. Of course I appreciate it and I did know that she might be hoping to be looked after by us in her dotage. She isn’t there yet though and this is an interesting trial run. She still plans to carry on travelling round the world after this is over and I have suggested a paid professional companion would be a good move for her while she did so.

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C8H10N4O2 · 13/04/2020 09:39

Maybe look at yoga

Dear gods, is this the lockdown version of "go for a spa day"?

You are not unreasonable OP, even the people we are most in sympathy with can drive us nuts in lockdown. Someone who can't even agree with you on how to follow lockdown guidance is going to be a double stress.

Ohtherewearethen · 13/04/2020 09:40

There's no time limit on how long you can exercise for. Dusk til Dawn is fine
HTH

Not really, no. Where are they going to eat? Drink? Discard of their rubbish? Change the baby's nappy? Use toilet facilities? Just wandering around the streets all day, under the pretence of there being no limit on exercise isn't really staying indoors as much as possible, is it? HTH