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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

OP posts:
Sunnywaves · 13/04/2020 09:41

Angliski I am so sorry to hear about your cat. Flowers

Chamomileteaplease · 13/04/2020 09:42

It seems your greatest barrier is the thought that she might get ill and be alone in London. How would any other single person cope in this situation? It must be possible.

I fear for your marriage and your business and this precious time with your new baby. And that's in health. All incredibly important things in your life.

Also, what if she brings the virus home and you and your husband get really ill? Or worse? How would you feel about it then?

Is it fair on your husband to have to live with her? A selfish, toxic woman who is not changing her ways and could now be endangering you every day.

You are in a very difficult situation but I would try and find a solution to her going home if I were you.

Celeriacacaca · 13/04/2020 09:42

The erratic behaviour and multiple buying of the same thing screams out at me. Have you explored the possibility that she has dementia - of any sort?

Allfednonedead · 13/04/2020 09:43

I'm probably just projecting, but to me it sounds like your DM has ADHD. The impulsiveness, the inability to focus, the trouble reading other people are all possible symptoms.
Now is probably not the time to start raising the prospect of a diagnosis, but it might be helpful to you to read up on ADHD and consider if it fits.
If it does, you might find it easier to deal with her in the understanding that she literally can't help being like she is, and that it's probably not easy for her either.
When i decided my DH was autistic, it made living with his quirks and oddities much easier, partly because it let me see them as part of the whole person, which overall is someone I love and admire.

SambaMamba · 13/04/2020 09:45

I’m reeling from the “impax me”

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/04/2020 09:45

You really have a lot in your plate right now. Congratulations on your baby and well done for keeping calm.

You could ask her how she would feel about going home to the flat. Not necessarily now but later, when it’s safer perhaps. Make it a discussion of how she sees life working there - non confrontational and open ended questions etc. Maybe approach it as a you want to plan your life vis a vis your ds so you’re gauging her reaction rather than trying to get rid of her....

callmeadoctor · 13/04/2020 09:49

Well i think she sounds fascinating, what about getting her to write about her life? Alternatively send you DH and the baby to live in the empty flat?

callmeadoctor · 13/04/2020 09:50

Sorry, meant your dh and baby go to flat, you stay with your mum

Angliski · 13/04/2020 09:51

@Beansandcoffee you are completely mistaken. Read the posts. She has several homes and had this one from before the move. Trust me she has plenty in the back to but whatever she wants- she hasn’t made any sacrifices for us and she hasn’t downsized. That isn’t what happened at all.

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Rabblemum · 13/04/2020 09:53

I think that’s the answer, I’ve noticed long term weed smokers live in a bubble and are stuck in their teens. I volunteered for my local CND shop and while hippies can be lovely, educated people some can be deeply annoying.

dottiedodah · 13/04/2020 10:00

This would be very tiresome after a while I think.Most of us love our parents but would struggle to live with them for any length of time! This is only a temporary arrangement ,and slowly things will return to normal .I think it would be difficult to arrange a move ATM with social distancing and so on .She has been generous in helping you financially so I would think its a little unfair to just "kick her out"!

Fudgewhizz · 13/04/2020 10:06

OP, I really sympathise! If my MIL (who is different to your DM but equally irritating in many ways, though her heart is in the right place) was staying with us I'd have gone absolutely bananas. Accepting money that is freely given doesn't mean you also have to accept a load of inconsiderate behaviour - unless it was specified that her coming to stay with you was part of the deal, which doesn't seem to be the case.

I'm with ZigZag - give her an ultimatum. If she keeps popping to the shops she's putting you all at risk, so she either stops that and sticks to some ground rules regarding cooking / baby etc or she goes to the flat.

@mortforya An inpatient is someone who is having to stay in hospital. Impatient is, well, impatient. (I don't usually correct spellings but this is a fairly important distinction!)

Triglesoffy · 13/04/2020 10:07

Those who were not brought up by toxic parents do not understand the triggers that a seemingly “harmless” comment can make. What seems a light hearted comment, to those who were brought up in stable backgrounds, is intact a barb, a goady attack or a criticism.

OP, I feel for you. You’re stuck in this situation for god knows how long. You really shouldn’t move her. The police are patrolling the roads and they would not take kindly to you driving an elderly lady into London.

The only thing I can suggest is that you try to let go of your frustration in a way that suits you. Go into YouTube and listen to clips from therapists. Sadly you can’t change her behaviour. The only thing you can change is your reaction to it.

Flowers
Fespital · 13/04/2020 10:09

Sometimes it just takes one incident to finally see someone you thought you knew through fresh eyes (sometimes it takes the reflection on a few).

With my MIL it was when she casually dropped in that something I'd spent hours helping her with she could have done herself but couldn't be bothered (her words on a phone call to DH). Whilst in lockdown so literally nothing better to do and whilst I'm working full time and home schooling 2 under 7. I no longer offer to help. My eyes have been opened.

Perhaps you and your DH could talk through how you can make it work with her moving out? Remember she is not your responsibility. She is an adult with her own faculties and she should be mothering you not the other way round. She can choose which of her houses she lives in but you will not be responsible for her decisions to ignore the law.

FamilyOfAliens · 13/04/2020 10:12

The idea of evicting a 73 year old mid lockdown is pretty poor tbh.

Don’t be ridiculous - you can’t evict someone from somewhere that isn't their home.

She would be moving from the OP’s home into her own home, which she bought for the purpose and which is empty and ready for her to move into.

RedRec · 13/04/2020 10:16

Is she Edina Monsoon?

agteacht · 13/04/2020 10:18

Ask her to go.

crimsonlake · 13/04/2020 10:27

Of course you cannot ask her to leave as we are in lockdown.
You agreed to take money off her towards the house and as part of that deal she also got what I assume a little annexe in your house. But then you say you did not really want her to stay? You cannot have it both ways.
Everything is magnified at the moment, emotions are running high.
Is there any way you can set some ground rules going forward...avoid each other all day so you have more personal space etc?

MaeveDidIt · 13/04/2020 10:29

@Angliski sorry to say this about your mother, but she sounds like an absolute spoilt & arrogant nightmare to have to contend with.

The worst of it all is that popping out to the shops and thinking she is invincible/asymptomatic is very dangerous to you all. She reall needs to wake up because she's being a very foolish and selfish lady.

Her inability to read your DS's emotions says an awful lot about her emotional lacking too.

Definitely worth stating house rules that Must be adhered to, but in alI honesty I don't think you can educate or reason with people like this who know best and are so detached from reality.

She needs to go not only for health reasons but also your sanity.

What a difficult situation💐

But you Both need to do something about this and quickly 💐

SeaToSki · 13/04/2020 10:31

Given the pandemic, when you boil it all down to brass tacks you have a binary choice.

She will not stay in the house even after you have asked her to numerous times

So she stays with you and will almost certainly catch the virus and bring it home to infect you, DH and LO

Or she moves to her flat and will almost certainly catch the virus but wont bring it back to you and your family

Which of these awful scenarios do you hate the most? Choose the other one and grit your teeth and bare it. There is not a good solution in this and never will be.

AnneOfTeenFables · 13/04/2020 10:31

I don't think it's wise to ask someone elderly to relocate to London in the middle of a pandemic. London has some of the worst figures in the country.
It sounds as though she gave you money for the house knowing it would have space for her. You accepted the money and bought the house on that basis.
I wouldn't let her put the household at risk so if she goes out enforce strict protocols when she comes back eg changing clothes, showering. There is guidance from the CDC that you can show her. If it becomes practically difficult, she may be less likely to float in and out.
As for your DC, is there a reason why your DH isn't caring for the baby whilst you're working?
You need to change your mindset towards your DM. She's not with you to care for your baby whilst you work. She's not there to help you garden. She's with you because there's a pandemic and it's the safest place for her to be atm. Run your house the way you would if she wasn't there.

MaeveDidIt · 13/04/2020 10:32

....Both you and your DH need to do something about this

onanothertrain · 13/04/2020 10:34

If you've always had a difficult relationship and don't like her you shouldn't have taken her money. Especially since it was to buy a house that gave her room to live in as well. She's just using what she paid for isn't she.

Ginseng1 · 13/04/2020 10:35

I get on with my mum & she's a great person but she would drive us all mad living with us for that long. She stayed with us once after an operation for a week that was enough. The only way I could do it if we had a granny flat her own self contained space.

PicsInRed · 13/04/2020 10:40

Only those with truly toxic relatives will get it, OP.

Save your sanity and your marriage, protect your child in a way she never did for you.

She needs to go.