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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

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JazzyTheDog · 13/04/2020 06:09

Oh sorry I didn’t realise your lockdown meant no moving houses (I’m in a different country). Then if she can’t move your husband has to suck it up more and remember she helped finance the house he’s living in, and stop putting you in the middle of this situation- if he can’t see how this impacts on you then he’s a bit of a dick.

HMSSophie · 13/04/2020 06:21

I'm of the "tough luck" crowd. You took her money. You took her in to live with you. Is that room for her perhaps part of the house buying long term deal by which she would live in a studio flat as long as she could and then as an "old" lady spend her final years with you? So you had envisaged her living with you at some point? You just don't like the reality of the deal you struck.

Is it not possible to have a proper adult conversation with her? Agree boundaries? You will also be driving her up the wall, as will your DH. And who is buying the sesame seed oil anyway?

Magicbabywaves · 13/04/2020 06:48

Let her go.

differentnameforthis · 13/04/2020 06:48

@mortforya With all due respects, you have no idea!!

This isn't about op & her dh being impatient at all, or her mother being quirky or endearing. But then those who don't have toxic parents don't get it.

If she can move into her flat, she should.

RandomSelection · 13/04/2020 06:51

Lockdown is hard on everyone. You have a young baby so things are going to be extra hard on you with hormones and lack of sleep etc. However, everything you have said your mum is doing is little, niggly things, not malicious. She's trying to help with the baby, but getting it wrong. I have child of my own, but I'm rubbish with them. I'd probably get it wrong too, but she's trying to help. The cooking is annoying if she keeps buying things you have, but she's probably bored and wants to make nice food for you because she can see how busy you are. The gardening thing is a non-event, it's a throwaway comment.

What's your husband doing on a day to day basis since you are saying: I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.". ?
Perhaps he could step in to help out with the baby and the cat and the household stuff so that it's not all down to you.

I am sure your mum is in no doubt that you think she is a burden. I am sure you are doing things that are driving her bananas too. Perhaps you could put yourself in her shoes and see things from her side. She is in a house that she helped you to buy and that you encouraged her to stay in and now you are making it quite clear she is unwanted. Poor mum!

ZigZagIntoTheBlue · 13/04/2020 06:57

Why can't she move into a vacant property that belongs to her? Its putting op and baby at less risk as she keeps popping to the shops, does she wash her hands before touching baby?
I'd just talk to her, either stay in and self isolate PROPERLY or go to your new flat (that she bought herself so must like 🤷‍♀️) and do whatever you want.

JazzyTheDog · 13/04/2020 07:04

@differentnameforthis, what gives you the impression OP’s mother is toxic? From this reading it sounds like Mum is scatty and a bit of a free spirit (which could be irritating but hardly toxic) while OP’s outlook on life is not the same.

OP’s husband is the one who could be “toxic”, I don’t know what he does all day if he’s home as he doesn’t seem to be looking after his kid, just getting shitty at his MILs presence in the house she partially purchased.

drspouse · 13/04/2020 07:10

£I didn’t realise your lockdown meant no moving houses (I’m in a different country)*
Moving house counts as essential travel. It's fine.
Upsetting your baby is not on, and doing lots of non essential shopping is putting you all at risk. I'd help her move.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:21

Thank you everyone for your really thoughtful responses. I’m going to scroll through and have a good read of all of them but before I do just a few clarifications on my thinking in the first place.

Number one of course I appreciate that my mother is really generous to help us with the house. And of course so was conscious of that in wanting to make space for her here during this difficult time.

Number two I thought this would be a nice opportunity for her to spend time with her grandchild who she hadn’t met yet because she was busy gallivanting around the world and when she asked if I would like her to come for the birthday answer was a definitive now. My mother is quite unpredictable and it’s hard to know whether she will be capable of focusing on you at critical times e.g. during labour not talking about house prices.I know that might sound unbelievable or exaggerated to some of you but trust me this is absolutely the case.

Number three I had anticipated the lockdown would continue for quite some months and as many of you have pointed out I was very worried and concerned about my mother being isolated stuck in a stuffy small space,isolated,lonely and frustrated and potentially being sick without me being able to support her. This was my primary reason for deciding that she needed to stay with us even though I did not want her to stay with us.

Number four no my my husband is not normally a tetchy person and I would not say that it is stretched on marriage breaking point I would just say that this very special time of our lives it’s really difficult and challenging to have her here as it is difficult on top of all the other difficulties and challenges of this unique and horrible situation that we are all in together.

Number five my husband would say that the principal problem here is how she Impax me. I do find her extremely frustrating and upsetting for example she has been away six months I never once asked how I’m doing with the baby or giving me any time and thoughts in relation to my recovery or my work or anything like that. So it does bring out the worst in me. On top of this pressure cooker space.

The reality is that I’m probably not going to be able to live with myself if I leave her somewhere else and something terrible happens to her she means I just have to accept that she is here for the duration and try somehow to keep my sanity. I know the examples I gave might not seem like much to people it’s very very difficult to convey just what a complex character she is. Another example of this might be that I packed up her entire house in her in London after 20 years of her living there every single piece of it. That’s fine. I’m totally happy to help my mum make her move. Except that she has decided that she wanted half of her things to go to India and have him to stay here in the UK and instead of like a normal person making two piles that could then be packed by someone who came in on top of the job in a pregnancy to help you make the move, I had to go to her with each spoon saucepan duvet lampshade and say Mum India or England - I then have to say mummy at least five times as she ignored me completely, then there would be a story about the sooon and finally I would get an answer and this went on for weeks and weeks as she lay in bed rubbing her head saying how difficult and challenging the move was as her pregnant daughter packed every item up and every single piece was allocated to a box by me and moved by me. Sometimes I would come back and she has unpacked the box because she couldn’t remember what was in it will have decided that I have packed it wrong or put the wrong thing in the wrong place. Things like that.

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motherheroic · 13/04/2020 07:22

It all sounds incredibly annoying but the house has space for her because she bought it. Now she is living in the space, which is what you would assume would happen at some point surely?

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:23

About the baby it isn’t that I’m asking for my mother to look after the baby my mother wants to spend time with the baby but only when he is in perfectly happy bouncy condition. She then wind him up to the to the level that I don’t need to unwind him and have him functioning and happy again. I don’t want to not to spend time with the baby but the reality is that I wouldn’t even dare to allow her to go on a substantial walk with him because I’m not sure that she could stop the pram or noticed the traffic. It isn’t that I don’t want to take responsibility for the baby it’s more that I wanted to give her meaningful time with him which she desperately wants to have but actually it can feel very safe to be able to do so. She is strange and disruptive so it is like having another child, not a helpful supportive mum and that makes me really sad.

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NiteFlights · 13/04/2020 07:24

It sounds like your mother is putting the whole household at risk with her unnecessary shopping trips. With a 12 week old baby in the house that would worry me a great deal.

What share of the household duties is your DH doing? Now might not be the time to talk to him about it but it sounds like perhaps he could be doing more with the baby?

Your DM sounds really difficult. I would be at the end of my tether. People who can’t communicate rationally are utterly infuriating and press my buttons - maybe your DH is the same?

On balance Id say she should move to her flat, but I think you ought to try to have a serious conversation with her first. If she doesn’t want to go (which may be the case, given the silly excuses about crockery) then I don’t think you should force her. You may need to channel your inner QC to get straight answers but be persistent. Focus on the bigger picture. If she wants to stay, you need some rules about how frequently she leaves the house and how things work during the day.

TKAAHUARTG · 13/04/2020 07:27

gallivanting around the world
You sound nice. What is wrong with that? Good for her.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:31

Okay husband clarification- my husband does do loads with the baby and the cat and is currently in the process of renovating the house. We had agreed before baby that he would be in primary care in many ways but we are holding off on that until the floor is down downstairs so that we can have a bit more space and mum can have a take over my office which she has already taken over and have that as exclusively her bedroom. So I’m trying to take concentrate my efforts on allowing the husband to be able to crack on with the renovation work in the house. It is not that he is unhelpful or lazy. He is great with Baby. He is quite a bit older than me and has retired and that’s the reason why he isn’t working as well.

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INeedNewShoes · 13/04/2020 07:34

I think DM has a choice: either she sticks to the level of isolating that your household chooses (not popping to the shops frequently) or she goes home.

I do wonder though, aside from the current unpredicted covid-19 situation, how you saw this housing situation playing out OP. You accepted a large amount of money from her to buy your house. Did it occur to you to consider the expectations that might come with that, especially if the only reason she could give you that money was that she was downsizing massively to a studio flat. I don't know many people who, having had a big family home, would move to a studio flat as a long term abode.

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:34

@mortforya becoming an inpatient is the last thing I would like atm.

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PersonaNonGarter · 13/04/2020 07:36

OP, you don’t say that you have tried to speak to her?

If you haven’t already, it would be worth saying ‘DM, you are causing us serious problems with your refusal to listen to government advice, and various small things such as taking over the kitchen. You have to start understanding who’s home this is (MINE AND DH) and also why we are all here. If you don’t make serious changes, you will need to leave in three days time’.

Your principal relationship is with your child and DH. Put them first.

Casino218 · 13/04/2020 07:38

Out of all of that the one thing that would make me deposit her that day back in her own flat is 'she just pops out to get things we already have'. She's irresponsible and putting your whole family at risk.

zafferana · 13/04/2020 07:43

Your DM sounds extremely self-centred and irritating OP. Of course, the usual crowd of MN-ers blaming YOU for her impossible personality is out in force telling you that you should do yoga and that you're just unpleasant - ignore them. Your DM sounds insufferable. Ask your DH to go up in the loft and get down the box of crockery and anything else your DM needs and tell her that you will be taking her to her flat in London. The initial three weeks of the lockdown ends today, so I think this is a good time to draw a line under her isolating with you. Make sure she has what she needs (food, medicine or whatever) and then take her home. It's not that she doesn't have a home to go to - it's just that she isn't in it. You've had her to stay for three weeks at a very challenging time in your life with your DS a tiny baby. You now need to prioritize your mental health. Stop being a martyr to this selfish woman who also happens to be your DM!

Soon2BeMumof3 · 13/04/2020 07:45

She's sounds very annoying, but if she has always been like this then why did you agree to her selling her home so you could buy yours?

I think you have a moral obligation to suck it up to some degree. I would hate to be in a one room flat during ISO.

Can you lower your expectations of her and get through by having breaks in the garden etc?

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:46

@Angelw exactly. This is exactly why I cannot do it.

@INeedNewShoes hold on a minute. Mum has several homes around the world. The studio flat she owned before. In fact she had a tenant in it that she took without references who turned into a. Threatening scary fucker. Show a Slade responsible for getting him out. And taking it through the court? Raises hand. So don’t make assumptions - I can’t possibly put the whole crazy history here but trust me, she isn’t - stuck ina studio because I took her downsized money.

My brother doesn’t speak to her at all - we Arne trust talking little niggles. She left him in another country and left me homeless at 16. She isn’t just quirks and niggles ok?

And of course I get that I expected there to be strings with the house, I’m not a wally! The problem with mum is you cannot reason with her like a normal person. Only people with truly toxic parents can begin to explain how this is. Of course I have told her she is putting us at risk by popping out but she doesn’t care. I’ve told her don’t do it, but she does it.

She bought a house ina tea plantation in India- marigold hotel style. She was all excited about it. When she got there she rang me to tell me she didn’t like it because it was too remote. She bought it - without visiting! Even though she visits India for 6 months do each year ( she is from there) .

That kind of thing. Now I have to arrange to move all the shit I shipped out thee back here for her.

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Soon2BeMumof3 · 13/04/2020 07:48

If she's someone who doesn't listen, maybe some written family rules would help?

  1. We shop once a week- no top up shops

  2. We cook on alternative days

  3. We spend time together during the day but evenings we do our own thing

And so on.

My sympathies OP

Lampan · 13/04/2020 07:49

Going against the grain here but has she always been like this? The mention of buying multiples of something you already have concerns me...

Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/04/2020 07:49

Op this must be a really stressful situation and ftom your op it seems like you sre bearing the brunt of it.
You say your dh is a sahp. I hope he is pulling his weight around the home too.
Not a dig at sahp btw as right now I am one and agree the working pararent shouls

Angliski · 13/04/2020 07:50

@zafferana thank you for actually truly understanding.

I do also appreciate the upthread comment that it isn’t nice for mum to feel unwelcome. I knew it would be deeply challenging to have her here when I said she should stay - and I am not sure I can really ship her out. It’s just very tough and I need a new way of surviving it. She is it rational, reasonable, sensible and yes she is a big free spirit. I love her a lot despite her infuriating qualities and have no help from sibling ( also in line for help with home/ethical bribe).

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