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AIBU to desperately want my mother out of the house?

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Angliski · 13/04/2020 00:56

I preface this message by saying that i understand lots of you will be desperate to see your parents in person and to have your dc’s see their grandparents. I’ve always had a very difficult relationship with my mum and she is a deeply unusual person.

My mother is currently staying with us in lockdown. She arrived back from her world travels in March just before lockdown started. I have a 12 week ds, a very sick cat and a stay at home Dh. We have space for her because she helped us buy our home. She recently sold a large family home and has a small studio flat in london. She cane planning to stay a week or two and then move to her empty studio flat.

When lockdown came we had about 24h to decide what to do. She didn’t really seem to understand how serious it was, discussing how she was sorry she had not stayed in a warm country she had just left and talking about buying a larger flat in London. She kept going to the shops etc. I had to read the riot act about the safety of my son and stay at home etc etc- she is 73. But I decided on balance, that it was best to have her here, as we have a garden and I can keep an eye on her vs a small stuffy flat where she didn’t know anyone locally.

A month in, she is driving us crazy. She has always been a very difficult person- she doesn’t really hear instructions or absorb ideas and you cannot have a rational conversation with her. My normally incredibly mellow and forgiving husband is irate a lot of the time because she is unbearable. It’s so hard to explain her particular brand of toxicity but here are a few examples of the kind of thing she does. She is essentially benign but also awful. She has always felt the normal rules of life eg tax, law etc do not apply to her and has a history of emotional neglect of both myself and my sibling.

  1. The baby- she loves ds and spending time with him. But she cannot read him at all. If his is anything less than perfectly happy, she doesn’t check his nappy or bring him to me to feed- she will whack him in the back for ‘wind’ or poke a dummy at him, both of which upset him even more , so he has to be whisked away and soothed.
  1. She says the most ridiculous things rather than atually helping. So I will be trying to do a little gardening with baby in bouncy seat and instead of putting soil in pots or whatever she will stare at me working and then say, ‘ Angliski you know there is a tool called a rake, r-a-k-e. You can use it to gather weeds.’ She says this like it is a massive epiphany and then goes back in.
  1. She spends hours cooking, taking over my kitchen, yelling for ingredients that are in front of her rather than looking for them or She just ‘pops out’, with diabetes and cataracts, to the shops to get something we already have plenty of. We now have six bottles of sesame oil- which she tells me daily, is great on pak Choi. I keep telling her there’s is a pandemic stop doing this cook with what we have...’ but to no affect.

I’ve gently asked if she might consider moving to her flat - she tells me she is negotiating with friends to move in with her there - it’s a tiny studio- we are in lockdown!!! She tells me she can’t move because she ‘ doesn’t have crockery’ and needs someone to live with. We have all her stuff in the loft from her previous house.

She is extremely hard work and it’s like having a really naughty manipulative toddler with you. I’m trying to save my business, nurture my first born, take care of home and cat and all and she is an extra, massive burden.

Anyway we are at end of ourtether and I am afraid for impact on my marriage. My husband can no longer stand her and gets cross at the slightest thing she says or does. I feel terrible and torn between desperately wanting her out of my space as she is triggering and misery inducing- and worrying about her safety and feeling guilty for wanting her gone.

Aibu to ask her to move to her flat and leave us in peace? How do I get her to go? We would obviously move her and her stuff and respect distancing when we did.

Help me.

OP posts:
Serin · 13/04/2020 10:42

I'm not even joking now but assuming your driveway is big enough I would buy the hippy mother a caravan so that she has her own space and isnt putting the rest of the family at risk of Covid.
There are plenty for sale, get someone to drop it off for you and sell it again afterwards.
I'm an NHS worker and know several colleagues who have done this to protect their families.

MaeveDidIt · 13/04/2020 10:43

@AnneOfTeenFables

I think you've missed some of the points.

He mother hinders her whilst she is trying to work etc. 'Normal' mothers usually want to help because it's natural instinct to most.

Regarding money - does this mean that her mother now has the power and authority to potentially put them in serious danger?

Because I'll tell you now this type of person is in a world of their own.

Tunnocks34 · 13/04/2020 10:50

My aunt is like this, she lived with my grandma and grandad and it drove them to the brink. She would often do things like tell them she would go to Tesco for them, and then come back four hours later after deciding to go to the cinema instead and basically make them out to be unreasonable for being upset ‘I’m sorry but you only wanted cream, we can have curry without cream can’t we’. It’s so hard to name examples of what she did because they are really weird, seemingly minor things. I often wonder if she has some form of learning disability because she’s absolutely not malicious in this - she seems to have no awareness which makes it all the more frustrating!

Esspee · 13/04/2020 10:51

I think I would sit your mother down and explain the risks she is putting the family in. Tell her you are going to lock the door and she either abides by your rules or moves into her flat.

Ratoncita · 13/04/2020 10:53

Either set proper boundaries with her or send her to London. People need to give things up when they live with others - if she's not willing to it's not going to work.

EL8888 · 13/04/2020 10:54

Your house = your rules. It’s not the other way around! I don’t think you need to adjust to your mum and her way of doing things, it’s the other way around that needs to happen. If she doesn’t like it then she knows where she can go...

I think like my mum then your mother has forgotten that you’re a grown and what you say does go in your own home. When l was a child then l was told “when you have your own house you can do what you want”. That day rolled round and now l have my own home, my mum was staying at and didn’t treat it with respect. I told her not to put dirty shoes on a dining room table or slap doors at every hour of the day and night. She didn’t like it but there you go

You sound busy and l think your need to do less for your mother. After this is all over then she needs to co-ordinate the shipping of her items back from India etc

Northernsoullover · 13/04/2020 11:00

@Northernsoulgirl45 fab user name! (Apologies for derail OP)

INeedNewShoes · 13/04/2020 11:24

Point taken OP. Sorry for making assumptions about the studio flat.

As per the first point of my post I do think you are absolutely within your rights to tell DM that while she is staying with you that she must not go to the shops. If she isn't willing to make that concession in order to stay with you then I'd insist she goes.

You need to feel safe in your own home and if DM's multiple shop trips jeopardise that it's really unfair of her.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 13/04/2020 11:26

Great minds @Northernsoullover

Cocobean30 · 13/04/2020 11:36

I can tell how many people here have never had a toxic relative or a parent who prioritises themselves over their children, they just do not understand. OP I really feel for you, I would have lost the plot by now.

billy1966 · 13/04/2020 11:54

@SeaToSki
Nailed it, OP.

Your mother sounds like a very long term PITA, and I honestly cannot understand how you imagined being cooped up with someone you know to be so self absorbed, would work.

I honestly don't get the tolerance that adult children show to parents that were abusive and toxic growing up.

Obviously FOG could apply here.

I think you should move her on, she's putting you all at risk, and unsurprisingly given her long established patterns of behaviour, spoiling this time for you.

Alternatively you suck it up OP, for possibly months.

Wishing you strength Flowers

SchadenfreudePersonified · 13/04/2020 12:14

Oh sorry I didn’t realise your lockdown meant no moving houses

In a situation like this, where there is an unoccupied property just sitting empty, it is not a big problem.

OP - I would ask her to leave. Your relationship will take a bit of knock, but not as much as it will if you or your DH end up losing your themper and having a stand up rw - either with her or with each other.

Yes - it was kind of her to help your finance your home, but she chose to do that, and didn't do it under any conditions. You will all get on better if you are apart.

I expected there to be strings with the house

You shouldn't have to expect this. We helped our son with his first home - that money was a gift, and while we would have been disappointed if he hadn't said "thank you", neither DH nor I expected him to be under our command for the rest of his life.

AnneOfTeenFables · 13/04/2020 12:24

@MaeveDidIt OP's DM didn't move in to 'help'. Actually 'helping' in a constructive way demands a healthy respectful relationship. OP and her DM don't have that. It seems OP expected their relationship to transform because of the pandemic and she expected her DM to step up in exactly the ways OP wanted and needed.
It's those unrealistic expectation that are causing problems.
OP has a DH. He should be watching his DS and OP should be making demands on him to support her. They need to run their household as though her DM isn't there.

Nanny0gg · 13/04/2020 12:25

Is she just spoilt?

What was her upbringing? Her life with your father?

Mangofandangoo · 13/04/2020 12:34

I'm sorry OP can't really give any constructive help but I just wanted to say you sound like a saint Daffodil

Angliski · 13/04/2020 12:37

@nannyogg she did grow up with staff and until recently had a housekeeper to do everything for her. She is it very tough with my dad- he was a very angry person and she pushed all his buttons. Then she’s as a single mum during the recession and life was really tough for her.

It’s helpful to hear your views everyone. I. An see that having any expectations is a mistake. She does want to help though with Baby and food. My DH and I are sharing care and don’t really need extra hands with child - she just wants to spend time with him, naturally. I’m going to the vets this afternoon to take sweet kitty on a final visit... so I’m may ask her to just sit in the car woth baby while Dh and I can both say goodbye together as I don’t want to bring baby out to vets and have him see me very distressed- so that’s a nice thing she was able to support us with.

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RandomSelection · 13/04/2020 12:47

@Cocobean30
I can tell how many people here have never had a toxic relative or a parent who prioritises themselves over their children, they just do not understand. OP I really feel for you, I would have lost the plot by now

And on the other hand, those who have had a truly toxic parent would never, and I mean NEVER take money from them or allow them to stay in their house with them once they have come to understand they are toxic. There in lies the difference between someone who says they have a toxic parent and one that actually does. Of course, it's all about degrees of toxicity, but the OP (and other posters) are making hers out to truly terrible which she cannot be otherwise the OP simply would not have taken the money, no matter how desperate she was and then voluntarily decided to ask her mother to stay.

Franticbutterfly · 13/04/2020 13:44

Sympathies OP.

Triglesoffy · 13/04/2020 13:55

Random you are being ridiculous. Have you never heard of FOG?

Angliski · 13/04/2020 14:03

@RandomSelection that’s an interesting judgement call. Thanks for sharing. As you aren’t me and have never lived my life or spent any time with my parents you cannot possibly have any insight into my parent dynamic. Sometimes i take the cash or the food because that it’s what they have to give. Everyone has their own private hell so let’s not get into ‘yours just isn’t hellish enough’.

OP posts:
SchadenfreudePersonified · 13/04/2020 14:43

And on the other hand, those who have had a truly toxic parent would never, and I mean NEVER take money from them or allow them to stay in their house with them once they have come to understand they are toxic.

Have to agree with this.

It gives them too much power.

HavenDilemma · 13/04/2020 14:54

I'm going to be quite blunt here in afraid.

Yes, the guilt of her catching Covid by ignoring lockdown if you ship her back to London is real.
However, she is STILL ignoring lockdown at your house and is risking not only her own life but both you & your husband and your newborn. Kids are NOT immune and many infants have died worldwide from Covid 19! I'm not trying to scare you, but I think it's worth pointing out.
Also if it is yourself or your husband who catch it, that will result in that person in quarantine for however long...... Her behaviour is increasing the risk of this happening TEN FOLD!

EKGEMS · 13/04/2020 14:58

We had to put our elderly cat to sleep two weeks ago OP it was very difficult for me as I was his person

HavenDilemma · 13/04/2020 14:59

Also, some of the behaviours you describe make me think of the early stages of Dementia. In particular the frequent buying of items that you have enough of already.....

Runnerduck34 · 13/04/2020 15:09

I think most of us would find living with our parents infruiating at the best of times, nevermind with a new baby, house renovation and trying to keep your business going during lockdown.
It doesn't sound like shes doing anything particularly awful, my DM never changed a nappy and only wanted to hold GC when they were happy and content.
Contiually popping out to shop for non essentials is something I think a lot of people are doing my DM is going to the newsagents every day to pick up the Daily Mail and eldest DC (21) is happy to queue for 45 mins outside Sainsbury's for alcohol!
Moving her back to her studio is also against lockdown rules, tbf i think you have to accept the rough with the smooth, she has generously helped you buy a house you couldn't otherwise afford and she did ask if you wanted her home when your baby was born so she isnt completely self absorbed.
I think you will have to suck it up and pray for lockdown to end soon.
I would encourage her to buy somewhere bigger than a studio flat though, that sounds untenable and if she can afford your suggestion of paying for a companion whilst traveling the world I assume she must be loaded!
Try and establish boundaries, you and DH could do most of the childcare, you'd normally be on maternity leave anyway, maybe put renovation on hold, lower your expectations , try and put some boundaries in place and keep a sense of humour .