To be so angry at the Chinese government

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Because they didn’t shut the wet markets down permanently after SARS so another pandemic was inevitable. The rest of the world is now putting pressure on China to end it’s wildlife trade but this won’t be easy. Most of the world is in lockdown because of this trade and it’s so depressing to think history will repeat itself if China doesn’t get its act together.

The more I learn about how the Chinese abuse wild animals the angrier I get - the latest thing I read about is how they make the lives of bears a misery by extracting their bile.

Surely this is a PR disaster for China?

Bobstermum, sorry but that is a nasty comment and most probably racist as well.

As for bile extraction from bears, are you aware that most of the cheese you eat in the U.K. is made with extracted calf bile? Popular cheeses like Parmesan.

But hypocritical if you ask me to be “shocked” over the extraction of animal bile by humans in another country when it’s going on under your noses in your own country too.

In the supposedly enlightened 21st Century British people have voted to cut themselves off from the EU without even giving a thought to the impact of that on the country they destroyed and broke up. Or are you not aware that Brexit presents the very real possibility of a return to violence in Northern Ireland?

Why do people seem to find the need to swear? Please be polite.

I'm angry at netmumsians. They come over here but can't be bothered to learn the language.

Also, I hear they eat bats.

Getting angry towards the country that raises the alarm is counter productive. We should be thanking China.
@PlanDeRaccordement
They didn't raise the alarm though, did they? They tried to cover it up.

It seems they are now trying to pin the blame on Africans in China for new outbreaks despite it being plainly clear this can't be the case. They have not left the country since the initial outbreak, yet there are hundreds of Chinese people flocking back to China from other countries to avoid it where they were. Seems like it's the Chinese bringing it back to China from other countries.
www.france24.com/en/20200411-if-you-re-black-you-can-t-go-out-africans-in-china-face-racism-in-covid-19-crackdown

DdraigGoch
“They didn't raise the alarm though, did they? They tried to cover it up.”

That is false. They did raise the alarm to the WHO per international agreement. Its all there on the WHO situation reports that were provided to the rest of the world.

I'm not angry with them. It's like blaming Europeans for spreading smallpox which wiped out native populations in far greater numbers in many countries. These things happen. If it was engineered in a lab, there's no guarantee at all it was manufactured by China. Many other countries have a terrible track record when it comes to trying develop bioweapons.

I'm with you OP but I'm also very angry with our own government and WHO as well

The amount of people in Wuhan who warned the CCP, WHO and write online with no regard for the fact they could be arrested is shocking. Yet another expert has now been shown to have warned both the CCP and WHO months before they warned other countries. She is a well respected bat virus expert, she goes to caves and takes samples and investigates and was one of the first to discover the new Coronavirus which she reported was similar to SARs. She had mapped the way the illness tracks within 4 days and immediately told people in power about it.
Who did precisely nothing and told her to withhold the information due to Chinese New Year. WHO also ignored her and claimed it to be "low to no risk" of passing person to person. Meanwhile, people were still moving around Wuhan, they were getting on planes and going abroad. All whilst this was already being passed easily.

Then we have our government, who should have seen what was happening with Italy and locked the country down a lot earlier. Cheltenham and Crufts should have been cancelled as should any half term non essential travel. We had a minimal amount of cases at that point, and lockdown would've worked a lot better if done earlier as the weather was shitty through March. Now we have it and we've hit hot weather and people are taking risks.

There are many people responsible for the deaths worldwide who should face serious consequences. I think we should cut all ties with China, no more buying from them, they even sent us 3.5 million antibody tests which don't work. They're a disgrace of a country, they have disgusting attitudes towards animals and frankly I want to see an end to any association with them.

The WHO has proved to not be fit for purpose and is clearly China centric. Why are we paying for them if they ignore stuff like this for months? They need to be replaced pronto.

I really hope the Chinese government is held accountable for this, the UN or such power should step in and make China change its animal welfare practices.

However, it is not just China, several countries also have wry markets so if could easily have started in any of those. They need to shut them all down.

It's certainly not bad luck. The articles I have read and videos I have seen show scientists who are not surprised this has happened. They knew it was the perfect environment for a virus to spread from animal to human. If you systematically set up a perfect environment for this to happen it will, that is not an off chance one off.

Unfortunately I don't think they will be held accountable due to money, power and politics. These markets will continue as they are serving the rich and powerful and this will not be the last time this happens.

@TheDailyCarbuncle the Troubles have nothing to do with this pandemic. They have nothing to do with animal welfare. Are you in the pay of the Chinese government? Because you seem to be determined to distract from what they have done.

Just because Britain has a bad history doesn't mean we can't call out bad things in the here and now. It's not a competition, past atrocities do not cancel out current ones?

Ddraig- thanking them? Are you mad? They knew about it in December 2019 and covered it up, making people sign silencing orders and charging them with spreading lies! Imagine if we had had two extra months to prepare for this what the difference in deaths might have been.

I actually cannot believe what I’m reading here, are people actually defending the Chinese government? They shut the wet markets after the SARS outbreak until the rest of the worlds attention was turned elsewhere, and then reopened them. Of course this particular pandemic happened because of their appalling animal welfare and trade practises. Hundreds of thousands of people have died world wide and worst of all they tried their hardest to cover this whole thing up.
There absolutely should be consequences for the Chinese government.

In the pay of the Chinese government? Paranoid much?

I'm not saying that Britain can't call out bad things, I'm saying the hypocrisy is pretty ridiculous.

Here DdraigGoch,
The first report to the WHO was on 31st December. The first report from WHO to rest of world was on 5 January
www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/

If the British government had to pay for the misery it's visited on people all over the world it would be bankrupt in a week.

'hope this is a massive wake up call for China in all aspects, wet markets, human rights abuses etc.'

Yes, as a pp said it's time for countries to take business away from China and stop buying from them.

I think it also proves that there needs to be an international list of "epidemic/unsafe countries" where if someone from our country decides to visit there, they do so at their own risk and knowing that when they come back they are placed in quarentine and tested at their own cost for two weeks.
Likewise if someone visits us from one of these countries, they must submit to the same quarentine/testing and prove they have not had any illnesses which could still render them a risk to our country.
The buzzword in this has been protect the NHS, well that needs to carry on. The millions that is spent on health tourists here is a national disgrace. It is OUR NHS and we pay for it. It's been slowly chipped away at.

@TheDailyCarbuncle the points you raise have merit.
Not in this discussion

I am originally from Derry, I get it. Your are angry, that's fine.

But if you want to discuss, start your own thread.

All countries have fucked someone over at some point.

@PlanDeRaccordement by arresting eight people for "spreading rumours" and continuing to deny that human-to-human transmission was possible despite what their doctors were witnessing. Yeah, that's open government...

These discussions always end up pointless because people start yelling BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT BAD THING BRITAIN DID.

Of course I doubt any country has a spotless human/animal rights record. But this thread is about China and the viruses that have originated there. Can’t we stick to that?

They have a responsibility to update their animal welfare standards and hygiene practices and should do so.

Bibibirdie do you have a source for your wild story of the discoverer of the virus who was told to do nothing due to Chinese New Year (which is in February)? The record shows plainly that China national authorities informed the WHO on 31st December. So it makes no sense she was told to say nothing when the world was told well before Chinese New Year.

@PlanDeRaccordement mol.im/a/8210951