To be so angry at the Chinese government

[HildegardeCrowe]

Because they didn’t shut the wet markets down permanently after SARS so another pandemic was inevitable. The rest of the world is now putting pressure on China to end it’s wildlife trade but this won’t be easy. Most of the world is in lockdown because of this trade and it’s so depressing to think history will repeat itself if China doesn’t get its act together.

The more I learn about how the Chinese abuse wild animals the angrier I get - the latest thing I read about is how they make the lives of bears a misery by extracting their bile.

Surely this is a PR disaster for China?

Wet markets are a huge part of life in many parts of Asia. How do you think people would have managed without them?

I used a wet market for all my shopping. Thankfully, my city had a ban on live animals. All
meat was already butchered.

Guess what? Second or third tier cities could do this too!

Yes @MangoFeverDream
We both agree that the government’s response was not good enough (by a very long way.) Which is exactly what I said in my post.

The Chinese Government made massive mistakes.

So did we.

A lockdown announced by Boris without using the actual words “lockdown” because he didn’t agree with it.

So people didn’t know if it was lockdown or not and many continued mixing spreading the virus further.

The fact that Boris nearly died has I hope brought home to him what a monumental dick he was early in the infection of the UK.

Another source for the virus present inNovember @PlanDeRaccordement
By the way? It's good to see that you are such a fervent defender of non disclosure. In the case of Dr. Li Wenliang and his attempt to warn about human transmission in December? History will judge whether he was right. Or the response of the regime was right to silence him. Which incredible though it is, you are justifying on this thread.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

The UK could have protected itself much, much better from China’s mistakes.

Like New Zealand did for example.

Why not focus on that, it’s more productive and we’ve more power to change it.

Yes violating an NDA between yourself and your employer is in fact illegal. What he did was illegal, so of course he had no alternative but to confess. I don’t know what you mean by “justifying treatment” you act like he was tortured into a false confession and then imprisoned

Plan, stop. This is gross.

He wasn’t visited by police and forced to sign a confession because he broke an NDA. It was for spreading false online rumours.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Honestly, what’s wrong with you?

Oh, he wasn’t tortured so signing a forced confession is okay 😡😡😡

Bovary X
“It's from the South China Morning post”
Sure it is. Are you quite sure you want to believe anything from China? After making a big stink about it to me and accusing me of using Chinese sources?

And the CNN one doesn’t claim that China “knew” about it in November either. You are wilfully misrepresenting things by claiming that facts known now from studies were also known months ago. They weren’t.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Honestly, what’s wrong with you?

It's absolutely extraordinary. But it's on explicit display for everyone reading this to read. Fanatical.

It's not a 'gotcha'.
It's making the point that this country got a lethal new disease into humans via animal practices that he public would have been horrified at (feeding ground up cow to other cows, making then cannibal and non vegetarian) and then denied it all for years, downplayed it, disputed the science etc in order to try and keep our beef industry going.

I think people forget that loads of countries have done and will do awful things that impact on humans and be less than transparent about it.

So you have been given multiple media sources and your response is to stick your fingers in your ears and yell Lalalalala? @PlanDeRaccordement
It's laughable.

@TheDailyCarbuncle what time did you start drinking today? Absolutely bananas, these markets are illegal and horrific, they’re also not the sole source of food for the Chinese they’re part of some frankly weird cultural bollocks that should have been stamped out years ago, man alive!!! They have flaming Tesco’s all over China, they’d manage 😂

Mango
It’s not gross. I’ve been a government employee and I’ve had to sign NDAs and also been visited by military police to be debriefed and sign further promises that I will not disclose information to the public for the rest of my life.
It’s not shocking to me because I know every country does this. You can think it right or wrong, I have no opinion either way. But rest assured it happens in the West as well as the East.

@BeetrootRocks

Yes you're right about BSE. The UK Major government only acted when other countries banned British beef and then they couldn't not act when it was confirmed that people were suffering horrific deaths from vCJD. They had to be shamed into acting.

Those practices had been going on for many years, too; one of the victims had been a vegetarian for about 16 years.

Here's a timeline of what the U.K. government knew and failed to do

bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

Why focus on what one country failed to do when one's own country had the time, knowledge and data to prevent similar errors occurring?

Bovary X
So you have been given multiple media sources and your response is to stick your fingers in your ears and yell Lalalalala?

No, I actually have both read and understood the sources. Unfortunately, they do not mean what you think they do. You have jumped to some dubious conclusions.

And here's a look at how we're doing compared to our closest neighbour, Ireland.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1249127908876128259.html

No, I actually have both read and understood the sources. Unfortunately, they do not mean what you think they do. You have jumped to some dubious conclusions

Plan knows better than fake news, Bovary 😂😂😂

Again, wtf is wrong with you? A man is visited by police for posting the truth in a group chat with other doctors. He is forced to sign a confession. You think this isn’t a problem because he wasn’t tortured? I merely thought you were misguided. I was wrong

Well said. It's despicable. What motivates someone to repeatedly deny the virus was noted as far back as November and to justify and excuse the silencing of doctors in December? Quite extraordinary.

Hi Porseb

This:

Here's a timeline of what the U.K. government knew and failed to do

bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

is all great stuff. Perhaps you’d like to start another thread about it? We are talking about the Chinese government in this thread.

Well, it seems to have deteriorated from a critique of the Chinese govt to personal attacks on posters..

It was me that brought it up.

Just to make the point that we need to bear in mind our own actions around a similar situation when commenting on China's reaction to this one.

Which is not to say no one should criticise them, but be mindful that many other governments would and have acted similarly (in fact, way worse).

Beetroot I agree. The extent of the pandemic certainly can't be blamed completely on China, it wouldn't be right to say so. There was time to prepare for it, which South Korea and Germany in particular did. It shouldn't have become as bad as it has.

Indeed. Remember Dr Kelly anyone? I think some people, once again, need to wake up and recognise that we’re not the centre of the world’s attention and the rest of the world owes Britain nothing.

Well, it seems to have deteriorated from a critique of the Chinese govt to personal attacks on posters

Shanghai, I respect your opinion. But I do not respect those who say a forced confession is okay because they weren’t tortured.

This is what they said:

What he did was illegal, so of course he had no alternative but to confess. I don’t know what you mean by “justifying treatment” you act like he was tortured into a false confession and then imprisoned. Nothing happened to him