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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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SistemaAddict · 10/04/2020 17:38

Unless they stop with the shielding advice I won't be able to take my children to school. If my eldest can't go to the shop for milk for me then none of them can go to school. Until there is something official then there's no point in doing much thinking about it.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 17:38

Speculating all the bloody time isn't going to make them open any faster...

Actually, I think it is.

Constant leaking and speculation about schools re-opening create an expectation amongst the general public. This goes alongside a consistent minimising of the ongoing work that continues to be done by teachers (we don't clap for the teachers who take care of children, allowing NHS workers to go to school, after all, and we refer to schools as 'closed' rather than 'open to the children of keyworkers, and for vulnerable children').

An increasingly 'oh well' attitude to the continuing high death toll is equally being created through constant exposure.

So constant speculation brings full school re-opening, and public indifference to the collateral damage to the school workforce, closer.

nannaeva · 10/04/2020 17:40

dfemedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/08/coronavirus-and-school-closures/
this article if from the 8th of April
The times article is from the 10th April

Bluecattt · 10/04/2020 17:40

So if schools open what about the 12 weeks shielding of vulnerable persons??
I’m vulnerable and if my child goes back to school and brings it home I’m fucked!

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 17:40

It's nice to not be alone in seeing how things play out.

CalleighDoodle · 10/04/2020 17:40

Most teachers are young nowadays, I'm old and rare in my early 40s. Therefore, most of the teaching population will be not high risk, so I don't think they'd have any problems staffing the schools

Im in my 40’s. Half of my dept was in school for the last week. Saying younger teachers are fine is ridiculous. We have a 31 yr old with type 1 diabetes. A 25 year old with such a poor immune system, the risk of chicken pox hospitalises her. And a 26 year old who is pregnant. The other young one is healthy, but has a pregnant wife.

Daten · 10/04/2020 17:40

Can't see that happening.

DuploTower · 10/04/2020 17:42

Schools can reopen whenever they want.

My kids arnt going until it's safe to do so. Not for their health, but for mine.

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 17:42

this article if from the 8th of AprilThe times article is from the 10th April

The Times wrote pretty much the same article on the 8th as well, @nannaeva

RedHelenB · 10/04/2020 17:42

I would say beginning of July just to get the kids used to it again ( and the staff!)

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 10/04/2020 17:43

Schools are absolutely not going to reopen generally until September.

They may partially open after the May half-term for some (Up to Y2, SEN, etc.)

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 17:45

I would say end June/ beginning of July with the intent (probably not communicated in this way) to create a second wave of infections during the summer holiday, and for those who suffer in this period to be better in time for school in September.

I would expect the second peak of infections to lead to a further limited lockdown during the summer break, thus using the schools as the 'tap' to control the flow of seriously ill people into hospital and to keep the daily death toll 'approximately acceptable'.

bettyboo40 · 10/04/2020 17:46

For those saying a staggered approach might work, I think that would be difficult to staff. I teach in a secondary school, but unless my children, who are primary age, can also go back at the same time, I wouldn't have childcare. There are many teachers in my school in the same boat, plus many more staff who are extremely vulnerable.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 10/04/2020 17:47

As a teacher I am really hoping we can go back after May half term. That will be approximately 10weeks of school closure (including the Easter and half term holidays) and I would love to think we had managed to get a handle on the virus by then.

It may be that school organisation has to change - maybe teachers move classrooms and pupils remain in the same room? Lots of hand gel available and temperature checks twice daily?

Whatever happens I will be so happy to get back into a classroom again, much more than I ever believed possible!

refraction · 10/04/2020 17:49

Yes, exactly!! The word ALONE there is kind of crucial, isn’t it?

Exactly. Imagine a study

*'Shutting pubs doesn't decrease CV 19 cases'
*
If only pubs closed then I think a similar percentage would be found, well definitely a lower one than now. So we could still shop, party, drink outside in parks and gardens picnics etc

People would still mingle. Same with that study. Just shutting schools.

Anything that is done alone will have limited affect than the whole hog. Well the wholehish hog that we have.

Surely that's obvious more than blindly believing head lines.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 17:50

I find it interesting that South Korea, so lauded for their approach to coronavirus, don't see it as safe to open their schools, and having put off the new school year by 5 weeks are now teaching online.

Here

Will this be something else about which we say 'Oh yes, they got it right'?

Peppafrig · 10/04/2020 17:51

I'm not sure how they would work school transport if they staggered times. Can't see the bus company's doing multiple journeys or the council paying for it.

rvby · 10/04/2020 17:52

I'm non uk. I have several friends in the education sector here, in senior leadership roles.

They have consistently confirmed that schools here will be closed until September, and also that closure until January 2021 is very very possible.

The UK is much denser than where I am, population wise, and hasn't been hit nearly as hard as the UK (yet?).

I think anyone who thinks UK schools will go back soon is deluding themselves tbh.

BeingLonely · 10/04/2020 18:03

The schools won’t open again until August. Sorry but we haven’t even peaked or seen a decline in cases. The lockdown will probably last till about juneish I think

ChandlerIsTheBestFriend · 10/04/2020 18:03

China have just come out of lockdown after 11 weeks and they had much more severe restrictions than the U.K. there is no way the U.K. will be safe to open schools again before summer.

Piggywaspushed · 10/04/2020 18:05

Where's the hand gel to crack everyone's hands and let infection in and thermometers going to come from wish ?

Piggywaspushed · 10/04/2020 18:07

Parts of China have been released form lockdown. Schools remain closed in Wuhan.

disorganisedsecretsquirrel · 10/04/2020 18:09

The headmaster at my daughters state secondary wrote an Easter message to us all yesterday and in it 'confirmed' the school would not be reopening until September.

ChandlerIsTheBestFriend · 10/04/2020 18:10

Thanks *puggy. I didn’t realise some parts were still in lockdown. That’s even more reason to assume U.K. schools will be closed for a long^ time yet.

Greyscreendream · 10/04/2020 18:10

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Some people are adamant they won’t send their children back before the magical month of September (not sure what will be different then). Others would be happy to send them back in June and take the risk that comes with this, as perhaps they don’t have anyone vulnerable at home or even believe they have already had the virus.

The people who are shielding / vulnerable or concerned could simply choose not to send their children in. This would mean fewer children across all years. Easier to manage with fewer teachers and schools would be better able to implement some element of social distancing if necessary. Personally I think an optional approach in June could work well for everyone with perhaps more formal attendance expectations from September or whenever people deem it’s safer.

Whatever approach they take isn’t going to please everyone. That’s clear from every school thread on here.