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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Greenpop21 · 10/04/2020 18:13

Rubbish. Just a journo speculating. Watch the daily briefings.

Walkaround · 10/04/2020 18:16

It seems a wee bit deluded to think you can reopen schools whilst keeping everything else shut down - reopen schools and you have to ramp up public transport, allow far more car journeys for school runs, start up MOTs again to avoid nasty accidents in unroadworthy vehicles, etc. You’d have to be in a position to reopen an awful lot more of society than just school buildings. (Unless they are planning on taking children off people and setting up a system of boarding schools run by robots so that adults don’t have to interact with children too much for fear of getting the virus off them and kids don’t have to travel to and fro, carrying the virus home with them).

halcyondays · 10/04/2020 18:16

China have been testing widely, doing contact tracing, taking temperatures etc the whole time. They keep talking about doing a lot more testing here but not much sign of it happening. Whatever group they decide to send out first, they’re going to find it very difficult to persuade them to get back in the water without proper evidence that it’s safe.

I really really hope that schools are not going back before September at the earliest.

BelleSausage · 10/04/2020 18:21

This thread is possibly the maddest thing I have read in all of the mad things about coronavirus (except for that one about the government stealing children).

When schools open it will most likely be a slow roll out and NOT based on year group. Social distancing would be impossible if you had to cram 34 kids into a classroom designed for 30.

So it will probably be a partial reopening with more professions added to the list of essential workers: factory workers, heavy industry and manufacturing first, etc.

Yr11 and 13 will NOT be coming in again. Their exams are cancelled and a new system has been put in place. The entire process of preparing the exam has been stopped. It is too late to restart now.

And there will probably be a focus on primary rather than secondary to facilitate parents going back to work.

FYI- the person who said most teachers are young these days is obviously working with a small data set. There are still many schools who value experience and have a lot of staff in their 50s and 60s.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 18:21

I wouldn't be surprised if Universities stagger their entry, with a Sept and Jan cohort, but for different reasons.
Looking to Southern Europe for answers won't be too helpful as they are relying on Germany bailing them out financially (and us, if we never end up leaving!) so their economic motivation is less.

BelleSausage · 10/04/2020 18:22

And I wouldn’t expect this partial roll out before June at the earliest.

I would also e levy teaching unions to object strongly unless teachers were being offered protection against the virus.

cabbageking · 10/04/2020 18:26

We don't know.

We do know we are not opening straight after Easter and as we have not yet peaked and figures have not started to reduce I can't see how anyone can predict anything yet. No date to open has been mentioned or discussed.

YappityYapYap · 10/04/2020 18:27

No point opening again 'some time in June' for Scotland because the summer holidays start the first week of July. It would be pointless to send the kids back for 2 or 3 weeks so I imagine for Scotland it will be August

Oaksquarebox · 10/04/2020 18:29

Why yappity? Plenty they can do and achieve in 2-3 weeks. Particularly the p7s.

Rhianna1980 · 10/04/2020 18:29

Appuskido thanks for the informative link

Tfoot75 · 10/04/2020 18:29

Im assuming that all these people saying hope not til September or no point for a few weeks before summer either don't have jobs or work in the public sector? Ffs most of us have jobs that we'd very much like to keep!!! 3 weeks of school and 6 weeks of holiday clubs or an extra 9 weeks of the economy doing fuck all and job losses all over the place, bit of a no brainer.

It will happen as soon as it safely can within the limits of the NHS, not a moment later or most of the country will be rioting etc over job losses. If you don't want to catch it, carry on with staying at home.

Aderyn19 · 10/04/2020 18:30

Mine won't be going back until sept (if cases have seriously dropped by then), regardless of whether school is open or not.
Until there is full testing and tracing, my family is safer withy DC at home.

ChandlerIsTheBestFriend · 10/04/2020 18:32

No point opening again 'some time in June' for Scotland because the summer holidays start the first week of July.

And NI starts at the end of June.

Im assuming that all these people saying hope not til September or no point for a few weeks before summer either don't have jobs or work in the public sector?

I do. But I also value the health of my children and myself. No point going back to work if I’m going to be off again with the virus.

HoffiCoffi13 · 10/04/2020 18:33

For all those saying they hope their children won’t be going back until September because it’s not safe... what do you think will have changed in September? Genuine question. September is likely to be less safe than June as it means there will be another peak in flu season, therefore fewer hospital beds.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/04/2020 18:33

How myopic do you need to be to think a tipping point in the decision making would be the opportunity for kids to say ggodbye to their friends before moving on to the next school? As if Whitty and co. are crowded around the table factoring in fun times before end of term HmmGrin

refraction · 10/04/2020 18:33

post.parliament.uk/analysis/covid-19-school-closures-and-mass-gatherings/

The actual Science by the SAGE

ThaQuilomum · 10/04/2020 18:33

Ireland just announced lock down measures will continue until May 5th obviously including schools. At that point it will be reassessed. Cannot see schools in the UK going back before then or anywhere near then. UK numbers and deaths much higher per head.

BelleSausage · 10/04/2020 18:42

@refraction

That’s interesting. So schools would have to close for at least 6 to 8 weeks (if not longer) for school closure to have the greatest effect.

That explains why they cancelled the exams. They obviously were always planning for school closures to be lengthy.

userabcname · 10/04/2020 18:43

If it appears we are through the peak, I reckon schools will re-open after May half term - perhaps not fully but key workers' children and exam years at least. Then September a full re-opening if it hasn't happened already. I have no idea really though- that's just a guess.

Namechange4nowt45 · 10/04/2020 18:46

As much as me and dh are stressed we would rather the kids go back when it's safe so September is more than likely, our youngest doc has severe cerebral palsy and other disability and we only have ourselves at the moment but were so scared shirtless off our DC catching it and passing away we'd rather crack on and struggle. Normally we get 3 nights once a month respite of social services but its been halted so nobody gets a break but I'm happy my baby is safe stuck indoors driving us nuts, she has a favourite game where she watches to see if were paying attention she sticks her fingers down her throat to make herself sick and think us shouting no madam stop it is great. She also incorporates throwing her juice bottles and demanding them back and if we say no or take them off the fingers go in the mouth to threaten us, shes 12 and a little turd bit I'd rather have her alive and safe ☺

FourTeaFallOut · 10/04/2020 18:46

Im assuming that all these people saying hope not til September or no point for a few weeks before summer either don't have jobs or work in the public sector?

Are you suggesting that outside of those two options everyone would jeopardise the well being of their wider family for their own convenience of sending their children to school for a few weeks?

Lulublu · 10/04/2020 18:46

I think the key here is that schools will go back when the Government can be confident that the NHS can cope - they are unlikely to be waiting until they can be sure people will not catch the virus (however worrying this may be for many people). Who knows what date they will go back, but if earlier than a vaccine (which seems quite likely due to the impact on the economy and other factors) there will be a section of society understandably nervous about sending their kids back in (as well as going back to work etc and doing all the normal things they used to do) and these nerves may last a long time.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 18:47

Exams were always going to be v v v difficult. Cancelling them doesn't imply schools were planned to be closed until September.
September will be tricky, I can see that being postponed, which is partly why I think early May for reopening. Gives you a few weeks then a holiday then six more weeks then holiday, but a sense of normality as well. By September the next peak will be well underway. (Nice timing)

Peppafrig · 10/04/2020 18:51

Considering Ireland extended their lockdown to 5th May I can't believe people think we could open schools at the start of May.

HoffiCoffi13 · 10/04/2020 18:52

As much as me and dh are stressed we would rather the kids go back when it's safe so September is more than likely

Why do you think September will be safe?