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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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IndecentFeminist · 11/04/2020 12:52

It would be naive in the extreme to deny that any pisstaking went on in schools, there are piss takers in all walks of life.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 12:54

@JesmondDene how much advance notice were you given of the date for school closures? If you don't mind assuaging my curiousity ..

Mumof2202022 · 11/04/2020 12:58

@Deathbybordem

Schools found out at the same 5pm conference as the whole country. Obviously we all knew it was coming but that was the official word

RingPiece · 11/04/2020 13:10

At my friend's school, which is open for around 20 vulnerable/ children of key workers, windows remain bolted shut and there has been no specialist cleaning. It's still as filthy as ever and out of a skeleton staff, four have shown symptoms in the past week and are now at home. With the number of vulnerable/ shielding staff already high and WFH, there aren't many teachers / admin staff able to work. I can't imagine how the school would function properly for 360 children if it were to reopen anytime soon.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 13:34

I didn't at there wasn't indecent but some people's definition of pisstakers is always interesting. And in these current socially isolated times, I am not sure how anyone would know.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 13:34

say

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 13:39

I wouldn't expect much more advance notice than you got that time, then, of schools re-opening. A weekend if you are lucky

FourTeaFallOut · 11/04/2020 13:42

Just just expect that schools will reopen at a moment's notice without any logistical planning about how to make social distancing work, how to ensure enough staff coverage to make it workable, without working out how school dinners will be achieved over a weekend's notice, without any planning about how to teach given the variability of how children managed the lockdown? I don't work in a school, maybe you do - how would all that work?

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DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 13:46

It would work the same way everything else works at the moment. The announcement is made with fuck all consultation and a short deadline and everyone scrambles to meet it quick smart. No joined up thinking or logistical planning needed, it turns out.

FourTeaFallOut · 11/04/2020 13:49

I really don't think schools will do that. I can't believe you do either. These are our children and their teachers, they are not just a raw resource to get the economy jump started. More care will be demanded.

Redwinestillfine · 11/04/2020 13:50

I disagree. I think once they decide to loosen restrictions they'll have a timetable ready to roll out which will give time to sort all this out. They're not going to risk undoing everyone's hard work by rushing it. For what?

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 13:51

Hmm, a careful timetable ready to roll out is certainly not how they’ve operated up till now.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 13:53

Hope springs eternal

Meanwhile Denmark opening schools on Wednesday. Germany considering it on a regional basis.

Dahlietta · 11/04/2020 13:54

I am a teacher due to start mat leave early July and was told not to expect to return before my mat leave kicks in

But our head is absolutely convinced we'll be back before the end of term, probably straight after half term. Nobody knows the answer. Working in a school doesn't mean your speculation is worth more than anybody else's.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 13:55

@FourTeaFallOut that is a very lovely and completely naive view. May I ask what so far leads you to believe the government shares your view?

FourTeaFallOut · 11/04/2020 13:56

I think parents do. I don't think people will comply with a chaotic return to school.

cantkeepawayforever · 11/04/2020 14:00

We have tied our 'remote teaching' medium term plan to our 'normal in school' one for the next term, fully expecting that we will be required to swap from one to the other at a moment's notice, exactly as we made the switch from in school to at home learning over a weekend...

cantkeepawayforever · 11/04/2020 14:02

I don't think people will comply with a chaotic return to school.

The vast majority of parents will be glad to have the children out of the house again. A few parents of highly vulnerable children will be concerned.

refraction · 11/04/2020 14:03

Joint general secretary of the National Education Union, Kevin Courtney, agreed that reopening schools would have to be slowly phased but also said that speculation about reopening schools might make people stop taking other social distancing restrictions seriously.

The NAHT warned schools that reopening will have to be a phased and planned process.
'Any return to normality has to be a planned one. It can't be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it's all going to be all right on a Monday morning,' said Whiteman.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:05

The government will have been managing expectations as well after next week. People appear to suspend any critical thinking faculties they might have once possessed, so don't worry, you'll all be Go To Work Heroes in a few weeks time

FourTeaFallOut · 11/04/2020 14:05

So, you think that parents would be cool with sending their children back to school with a weekend's notice with no understanding of what the school will be able to achieve in terms of social distancing or capacity to actually educate?

I just think you are wrong, I don't think people would tolerate it.

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 14:05

Nice try NAHT

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 14:06

Meanwhile Denmark opening schools on Wednesday.

Primary schools, not secondary. Social distancing remains in place and the Danish PM says that the children will be mostly outside.

MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 14:06

I think parents do. I don't think people will comply with a chaotic return to school.

I thought that generally, a majority of teachers were under the impression that they are vastly under-appreciated and asked to compensate for all kinds of parental failures (I tend to agree).

Where does this slot in, or have I got this wrong?

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