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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 10:44

I myself would like to see the stats on the ages of the shielding group. As it contains transplant patients, these are unlikely to be particularly old, as it goes. Likewise cystic fibrosis. The COPD patients will mainly be elderly. Leukaemia patients are likely to be any age but many, along with the complex asthma cases and CF may well be children.

There are plenty of people not on the shielding list who are still very vulnerable (my teacher DH gets an annual flu jab because if he catches flu it is likely to kill him or at least see him in ICU). In all other ways he is hale and hearty. He is understandably frightened.

I assumed stellamboscha meant by 'play the self isolation card' that people were phoning in sick. I guess she would rather people with a bit of a temperature and sore throat went in anyway. Presenteeism is a big issue in teaching. I am still taken aback that my colleague stayed off for a day with a bad sore throat and feeling ropy and then went back in . But , just before school closures, the biggest thing being talked about was the cough (which isn't he number one symptom) and people were told to come to work (unless they had both symptoms( and I do think we are now better informed).

Denmark is beginning to reopen schools but they have very strict controls in place and - of course - lots of testing.

Cantaloupeisland · 11/04/2020 11:01

There does seem to be some sort of media push going on to get schools open, every major newspaper has been running stories for the last few days. My worry is that this drip drip effect will make it seem like something the majority want.
I work in a school and the week before we closed was utter chaos with staff and pupil absence, people isolated for 14 days, parents refusing to send their kids in. If we open too soon there's no way we could implement social distancing, even if we only had one year group in - 180 in a year plus roughly 100 staff. If we open schools then we're effectively saying distancing is over and we might as well let shops, businesses etc get back as well. Obviously this will have to happen but it worries me they seem to be pushing for it so soon

HoffiCoffi13 · 11/04/2020 11:01

The fact is that the government and the advising scientists/modelling experts have said that they’re working ‘round the clock’ to work out an exit strategy... so if they haven’t figured yet then we’re sure as hell not going to.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/04/2020 11:02

Just before we closed we had more than 1/3 of the team isolating for various reasons - this was before the guidance was properly clear on who should be shielding, but yes also some epic pisstaking I'm afraid.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:05

How do you know who was epic pisstaking? Would you like to quantify?

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 11:06

Denmark is beginning to reopen schools but they have very strict controls in place and - of course - lots of testing

And allowing ten maximum to a classroom, including the teacher.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:06

It is not just those on the shielded list (which I still think was driven by economic reasons) who are at high risk of huge complications should they contract CV.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 11:07

There does seem to be some sort of media push going on to get schools open, every major newspaper has been running stories for the last few days. My worry is that this drip drip effect will make it seem like something the majority want.

Completely agree with this.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:07

Yesappu that was what I meant by strict controls.

Some countries now reopening schools are actually reopening them for keyworkers, something we already had in place.

refraction · 11/04/2020 11:09

Some countries now reopening schools are actually reopening them for keyworkers, something we already had in place.

Agree With this. I think some people are forgetting that.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 11:12

Some of the media reporting we’ve had had been shocking. I just clicked onto the BBC news app which had the headline

Doctors’ lives at risk over PPE shortage

To see the headline change before my eyes (in a ‘Back to the future’ kind of way!) to

NHS workers’ lives at risk over PPE shortage

Like someone in the office had suddenly remembered that people other than doctors work in hospitals Hmm!

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 11:14

@Piggywaspushed sorry, I didn’t mean to look like I was disagreeing with you-am in complete agreement.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:16

That's the bit that was buried in the much misunderstood Lancet report refraction : that what it recommended (with appropriate distancing in place) was schools opening for essential workers : which we had already done (guided by that self same science, no doubt!)

I did read that Denmark's forward modelling is based on a an assumption that children cannot socially distance, although not sure what they meant by this in terms of the actions they are taking.

refraction · 11/04/2020 11:16

Agree Appu

One morning cats weren't allowed out. Five hours later they were.

Mass gatherings misinformation.

I mean we knew the media was bad but its really playing on emotions.

Cantaloupeisland · 11/04/2020 11:17

Also they keep mentioning schools opening before anything else - how on earth is that going to help the economy? So the owner of a small shop has to send their kid off to school to mingle with hundreds of others but isn't allowed to reopen their shop as it's not safe...

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/04/2020 11:22

No I won't quantify the specific excuses that people came up with as it would be pretty recogniseable. But there is nobody in the team who is shielding, two who would fit in to vulnerable (and funnily enough, neither of them was unwilling to work, just had a conversation about sensible precautions and reducing their risk)

When you get to the stage of people saying they can't work because they've been in contact with someone who has been in contact with someone who they claim has confirmed coronavirus - only there were no confirmed cases in our region in the relevant period - then yes there is pisstaking going on.

refraction · 11/04/2020 11:27

Another

Masks work

Masks don't work

Counter headlines to everything we read and it's nearly daily.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:29

Well, I don't think me not working on site at present because of DH's valve disease and him not working on site either is pisstaking.

Your first paragraph implies only the shielded group are unsafe and this simply is not true.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 11:30

We also had people allowed to WFH because of crippling anxiety. I don't think that's pisstaking. I think that is compassion.

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 11:33

1.6 billion students globally currently not studying in their institutions.

It wasn’t teachers pisstaking that closed schools in the UK, it was a global fucking pandemic.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 11:34

Counter headlines to everything we read and it's nearly daily

Daily, just like the ‘when will schools reopen?’ threads Grin

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/04/2020 11:35

To be clear - working from home is not possible for us at all.

No, I don't think only the shielded group are at risk - but even the shielded group do not have a recommendation that those in their household don't go to work which can't be done from home. And none of our team meet that criteria anyway.

TillyFloss10 · 11/04/2020 11:37

I work with children who are deaf or have hearing loss in a mainstream school. It would very difficult for these students if staff wore masks (as it would make following lip pattern impossible) or had to stand 2 metres away from them.

DICarter1 · 11/04/2020 12:14

Which countries should we be looking to? China? Who completely locked down. Who’ve had testing in places and who numbers I don’t believe? I genuinely don’t know what the answer is. All I know is I have a very scared child at home who has autism who I’m not sure will set foot into school anytime soon without a major meltdown. How she’ll socially distance from her LSA I don’t know. Especially if she’s scared. The lack of testing and contact testing was completely irresponsible. That and the bloody media and their awful headlines. The government needs to step in and do something. I’m not in general a worrier but even if the lockdown is eased I’m not sure I’ll ever go out without worrying for a long, long time. Especially about my youngest child who has severe autism, attends a specialist school and cannot talk and I would have no way of knowing if they were very very sick.

JesmondDene · 11/04/2020 12:32

As I keep saying - I work at a senior level in education, I am in touch with the DfE daily.
There is no plan yet to increase the number of children who are attending our open schools by changing the criteria of th offer of a place.

We have just planned to extend the opening of schools to 7 days per week, including BH's. we are providing the same for under 5's for those that qualify.
Our area is nowhere near the peak of infection - thought to be end of May/early June.
When this hits, we may not have enough staff to continue opening our schools.
There isn't any official word on schools extending their criteria of which pupils can attend.