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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 09:55

I could be wrong as I'm working from memory, but I seem to recall that the shielding letters came out after the school closure announcement?

They announced on the March 22 press conference that they'd be sending them out in the next two days. Schools in the UK were closed on the 20th.

I think the shielding group is actually far smaller than people think or expected.

It's 1.2M IIRC and I would imagine the majority of those are elderly/pensioners.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 09:56

That is approximately 1500 families where this virus could spread freely

Yep but the vast majority of those 1500 families will shrug it off after a few days of feeling shit.

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 10:01

LittleBearPad

Yep but the vast majority of those 1500 families will shrug it off after a few days of feeling shit.

And that is how the waves of infection work. but if we do it too early it will make the situation worse.

MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 10:01

Sure some teachers will play the self-isolation card

Are you meaning they were pretending about being pregnant/diabetic?

Neither of these in and of themselves would place some in the shielding category.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 10:04

And that is how the waves of infection work. but if we do it too early it will make the situation worse.

Yes and if it’s done too late the NHS will crumble in the Autumn as the annual winter crisis ramps up n

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 10:04

Neither of these in and of themselves would place some in the shielding category.

So anyone in the ‘vulnerable’ group should then be at work?

Weren’t companies eg Tesco, telling that group not to come in?

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 10:06

LittleBearPad

And now that we can see that they have to do something in the midpoint between the two, it is up to those in charge. To decide when that should take place, and not armchair experts on MN.

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 10:07

@Stellamboscha

Wrong. Try again.

I was in until the very end and have worked hours and hours a day supporting kids from home.

I’m even on the rota to be in school covering the staffing for the children of key workers.

But I utterly draw the line at blanket school reopening a just because some parents want it- with them not having read the actual scientific evidence on the effect of school closure (the actual SAGE paper and NOT the Times reinterpretation).

I won’t support a reopening that is unsafe for staff, kids and families. I won’t support the making of vulnerable students even more vulnerable. Which is what this would do in the end.

refraction · 11/04/2020 10:08

There are two groups

The vulnerable and the extremely vulnerable ( the shielding group)

The vulnerable which is pregnant, over 70 and some others linked below has not changed.

Just because they were not in the extremely vulnerable group does not mean they are playing the isolation card.

There is always one martyr with a hero complex lacking big picture thinking.Hmm

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 10:08

Well duh!

If you want to shut down armchair experts MN is going to get pretty quiet. It’s clearly all speculation and no one on this thread has any better idea than anyone else.

Chanel05 · 11/04/2020 10:09

@nanbread as a PP said, that's not social distancing. Keeping 35 children (and that's just my class of course, not the whole school) in a classroom all day every day makes for very grumpy children.

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/04/2020 10:10

AFAIK the vulnerable group - not the shielding group - have been advised to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures which includes working from home where possible. I don't think they've been instructed not to work if they can't wfh.

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 10:10

Also, do you live in the midlands? Because you might have a hell of a drive.

Can you cover for all that cannot or will not come in?

Are you sure you’ve had it and are safe or that you would not be spreading infection to another part of the country?

Careless travel costs lives.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 10:11

I won’t support a reopening that is unsafe for staff, kids and families. I won’t support the making of vulnerable students even more vulnerable. Which is what this would do in the end.

@BelleSausage - what does this look like. What needs to happen for you to consider the reopening safe?

Umnoway · 11/04/2020 10:12

I say it on every single thread about this subject but it will be September. I am a teacher due to start mat leave early July and was told not to expect to return before my mat leave kicks in. The college is not expecting to reopen before September, it’s pointless now anyway because exams have been cancelled.

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 10:14

@refraction

It’s the Hero Teacher Complex. There’s always a few in every school. They usually try to carry whole departments and bigger up the entire system with they’re looking at me’ antics.

Team work makes the dream work. This won’t work if martyrs try to sacrifice themselves and bring down the whole system.

noblegiraffe · 11/04/2020 10:15

Is all this talk of lifting lockdown and opening schools there to distract from the fact that we had a higher death toll than reached in Italy or Spain yesterday and apparently aren’t near the peak yet?

Which papers are running with lifting lockdown stories?

HoffiCoffi13 · 11/04/2020 10:19

The thing is Umnoway the college you work for doesn’t actually know that. They don’t have insider knowledge. I’m a chair of governors for a primary school, we haven’t been told when we will reopen. We are planning for both best and worst case scenarios. One of my best friends is head of a secondary school, she hasn’t been told when they will reopen. So why would they have told your school and not others? It doesn’t make sense.
The government has said all along that they will introduce/lift measures when the time is right. They won’t know when that time is until it happens. This is a fast moving situation.

MiddlesexGirl · 11/04/2020 10:21

June/July phased return seems reasonable. Social distancing whilst encouraged will not necessarily happen within the school environment but this will be expected and have been modelled to predict the impact on health services.

Then I would expect trades people and some services to follow.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 10:22

Presumably Umnoway that was because you’re pregnant - due to go on mat leave before the summer and teach a-levels if you describe it as a college?

refraction · 11/04/2020 10:28

Noble Giraffe I think you maybe correct.

All this and the kids have only missed 10 days in the grand scheme of things.

Peppafrig · 11/04/2020 10:30

@nanbread that would be impossible. Would all 35 travel to school in the same bus? Cause if not they are on public transport passing it about too. Or if the school can clean down the entire canteen between each and over class group of 35. In our school there is 16 classes. It's impossible .

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 10:31

@LittleBearPad

I’d come back once there was a working anti body test and slow reintroduction by most needed professions. Start with very small classes and mandatory deep cleaning and temperature tests. Minimum staff and student body. Very slow return with focus on students who absolutely cannot home school.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 10:36

But Belle Sausage how long is that going to take?

How do you rank the professions? Do the schools teach the children who are back? This seems unfair on the children whose parents have less ‘worthy’ professions. Are the schools just doing childcare?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 11/04/2020 10:38

Is all this talk of lifting lockdown and opening schools there to distract from the fact that we had a higher death toll than reached in Italy or Spain yesterday and apparently aren’t near the peak yet?

Yes. We haven’t reached peak yet so any talk of lifting lock down is premature and the best way to decide on an exit plan surely would be to look at what happens in the countries ahead of us and learn from them.

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