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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 08:44

Play the self-isolation card

This must be the third thread you have said this particularly nasty thing on. I am very glad I don't work with someone as unpleasantly unsupportive as you.

HoffiCoffi13 · 11/04/2020 08:46

It would be interesting to see, if schools reopen before the summer holidays as the government has deemed it safe and some teachers refuse to go in, what would happen to their jobs.
As the virus is here to stay for a very long time, at what point will those teachers decide it’s safe for them to go back? Or by refusing to go in, do you mean resign?
I definitely agree measures should not be lifted too soon, I just wonder what would happen in those circumstances. My mum is a key worker (NHS) and she’s 60 in a couple of weeks. It really isn’t particularly safe for her to go to work but I imagine she’d lose her job if she refused.

LaProfesora · 11/04/2020 08:50

Teachers fund schools too. We pay taxes, you know 🙄

Mascotte · 11/04/2020 09:01

To be honest I’d happily go in to teach if I could as I’d be so happy to have a job and some income

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 09:03

HoffiCoffi13
It would be interesting to see, if schools reopen before the summer holidays as the government has deemed it safe and some teachers refuse to go in, what would happen to their jobs.

Like most people I have colleagues that are "extremely vulnerable" or have family members that are "extremely vulnerable", If they are fired it will make an interesting series of test cases.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 09:05

Whether you like it or not schools are going to be opening before most other things, and fairly soon (even I don't think in the next fortnight, I was thinking after first May bank holiday but I see that's the 8th now, so either on the 4th, short week, or 11th)

Are you in the cabinet?

neveradullmoment99 · 11/04/2020 09:13

Oh look this is exactly what the press have said @faithinallisee

look

The science isn't there yet.

Daten · 11/04/2020 09:14

Can’t see that happening.

neveradullmoment99 · 11/04/2020 09:14

And considering the borders have no restrictions here in the UK, i really think the Government ought to sort that one out first. The article is everwhere today and from the WHO.

neveradullmoment99 · 11/04/2020 09:16

I see also your link is from the daily fail. Yes a very credible source...not.

HoffiCoffi13 · 11/04/2020 09:19

Yes I agree lFrippEnos, I wasn’t saying anyone refusing to teach is right/wrong, I was just musing on how it will all be managed. If/when the government are opening schools, they’ll have to say it’s ‘safe’ to do so I’d imagine. The virus will be around for a very long time, if not forever, so will vulnerable/extremely vulnerable teachers only be able to go back to work once a vaccine is available? I don’t know the answer obviously, I’m not expert. Was just wondering.

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 09:21

Most schools can’t open until the 12 weeks for vulnerable people is over due to staffing numbers, so opening before mid/end June is not going to happen.

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 09:25

HoffiCoffi13

Sorry. I was just expanding on the point that you made.

I am also wondering if schools are to be opened whilst that rest of the country is still on lockdown or even social distancing, what the legal ramifications will be. As they are one of the places where social distancing will be no existent.

Bitofeverything · 11/04/2020 09:28

We’ve only pressed pause. I’m not sure what people think happens acts six months of crouching indoors. Apart from an economic apocalypse. I understand that it’s about the curve being flattened. But it is flattening. So what is the point in extending lockdown past maybe three more weeks?

CallmeAngelina · 11/04/2020 09:30

Play the self-isolation card -they are the ones that jumped ship early anyway and forced the closedown.

The first half of that sentence is vile; the second plainly and simply incorrect. The close-down was not forced by staffing issues in schools (from staff who were following government guidelines, as millions of people in other professions were also doing, but hey, let's pick on teachers), but was part of the Government's 'plan' (if you can call it that) all along. Many were clamouring for it to happen earlier than it did, but they said they would close them "when the science said that the time was right."

nanbread · 11/04/2020 09:32

My guess is that they'll open a few weeks before end of final term so that the Govt can wash their hands of the problem of childcare and funding parents over summer hols.

Then they'll close again in Nov over Winter.

I know lots of you are scoffing at Jan 2021 but I know teachers have been asked to scenario plan for this - so asunlikely as it seems I don't think it's as out of the question as you'd think...

nanbread · 11/04/2020 09:35

So what is the point in extending lockdown past maybe three more weeks?

To stop thousands more people dying than need to?

We're not at the peak yet, plus we're not locking down anywhere close to the restrictions of Italy and Spain, and numbers will climb over next 2-3 weeks then stay high for many weeks once we hit it.

There's a reason why Govt has offered furlough and support through to end May. I'd say that's a pretty good indication of the earliest this will be relaxed.

Chanel05 · 11/04/2020 09:37

Until social distancing measures are lifted I imagine schools will be closed. I teach 35 children in my class, there is absolutely no way any social distancing can happen in my classroom.

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 09:39

Stellamboscha
Sure some teachers will Play the self-isolation card -they are the ones that jumped ship early anyway and forced the closedown.

You sound like a wonderful colleague Hmm , but as you are allegedly a teacher, I am surprised that you could even bring yourself to write such drivel,

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 09:39

Sure some teachers will play the self-isolation card

Are you meaning they were pretending about being pregnant/diabetic?

nanbread · 11/04/2020 09:39

@Chanel05 could they social distance by class eg only mixing with those 35? How feasible is that?

Appuskidu · 11/04/2020 09:41

could they social distance by class eg only mixing with those 35? How feasible is that?

That’s not social distancing...Confused

StatisticallyChallenged · 11/04/2020 09:42

I could be wrong as I'm working from memory, but I seem to recall that the shielding letters came out after the school closure announcement?

We certainly (childcare) had several staff who claimed to be unable to work when the initial idea of shielding came about. Turned out that not one of them was actually within the shielding group.

FrippEnos · 11/04/2020 09:43

Bitofeverything

What will be the point of opening schools up to anywhere up to 2000+ children, that spread germs like wild fire?

That is approximately 1500 families where this virus could spread freely.

Don't get me wrong I would love to be back in the classroom. but we need to be quite far down the back of the curve before we start encouraging the next wave of this.

LittleBearPad · 11/04/2020 09:53

I think the shielding group is actually far smaller than people think or expected.