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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Chris5690 · 10/04/2020 22:15

Alot of people are going to die... Sad i live in a country with such a lack of get up and go. There is so much that can be done by the government to lessen that risk - by driving down the numbers of infected through test and tracing for one, research, geographical quarantines . but it would require hard work, in china everyone is tested before being admitted for hospital for anything, thus helping to prevent hospital outbreaks.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 22:15

I will - as a teacher - catch this virus sooner or later. However, as someone likely to have 'more severe illness' I would MUCH rather catch it at a point when we are ...by the skin of our teeth .. managing to keep spare capacity in the NHS for me to be treated.

if it could be once some treatments have been tested, that would be even better.

FrippEnos · 10/04/2020 22:21

cantkeepawayforever

Just remember that according to DeathByBoredom and FibiaTibiaHummas it will be for the greater good.

Schools could reopen in weeks
Freddiefox · 11/04/2020 00:57

And schools have been closed for weeks now

They haven’t really though have they, they have been closed for 2 weeks, 10 days so far.

faithinallisee · 11/04/2020 01:50

Oh look @neveradullmoment99, it’s exactly what I and Chris Whitty said!

Peppafrig · 11/04/2020 06:26

It's worrying the amount of people on thread who don't seem to know that schools have only been closed to pupils for two weeks and not three.

JustStayHome · 11/04/2020 06:28

I believe it will be September

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 06:59

It's true I did overlook that schools are open to keyworker children. Here we have one child per school so it's easy to overlook frankly.

But when do you think schools closed in general? Two weeks ago?? Ten days ago?? They closed on the 20th March. I know time flies in a pandemic ...

People of all professions are going to die, but mostly people are not going to die. In fact, 99.6% of most of you reading this are not going to die. It's the medics who are most at risk, poor bastards, but it's a pandemic with no vaccine. No study so far has flagged up large numbers of teachers dying. Or schoolchildren. Whether you like it or not schools are going to be opening before most other things, and fairly soon (even I don't think in the next fortnight, I was thinking after first May bank holiday but I see that's the 8th now, so either on the 4th, short week, or 11th)

purplelila2 · 11/04/2020 07:03

It's worrying the number of people who seem to think the schools have been closed for 2 weeks.

Lockdown announced Monday 23rd March !

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 07:18

No point asking what would I do. My 'wwid' started in mid feb with contacting testing, tracing and quarantining. In fact it started late jan by ordering the ppe and ventilators. But wwid in the plan we are halfway through? Stick with lockdown a few more weeks, start managing your expectations, bore you to death with daily death rates til you stop caring, start talking more about protecting the vulnerable, start talking more about the lives lost through lockdown (dv attacks on pregnant women aren't making the news yet), start praising people for a great lockdown so your reward is ... shops open, schools are back, social distancing continues so eg only so many per cafe or class. Go to work, save lives. Oh yeah .. and gag workers in the nhs and don't include care home deaths in the figures

Bizarrely, at least half of this appears to be government policy. Expect the rest some time soon. Keep on clapping.

Growingboys · 11/04/2020 07:18

Well there is capacity in the NHS now @cantkeepaway

MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 07:24

No point asking what would I do. My 'wwid' started in mid feb with contacting testing, tracing and quarantining. In fact it started late jan by ordering the ppe and ventilators. But wwid in the plan we are halfway through? Stick with lockdown a few more weeks, start managing your expectations, bore you to death with daily death rates til you stop caring, start talking more about protecting the vulnerable, start talking more about the lives lost through lockdown (dv attacks on pregnant women aren't making the news yet), start praising people for a great lockdown so your reward is ... shops open, schools are back, social distancing continues so eg only so many per cafe or class. Go to work, save lives. Oh yeah .. and gag workers in the nhs and don't include care home deaths in the figures

I think you're definitely onto something, I think the mood music will change in the next week or two.

Telegraph this morning suggests the focus is well and truly shifting to the exit strategy, not a moment too soon.

'Officials are considering a plan to lift the lockdown "in reverse" with schools the first to open potentially from the beginning of June, followed by all shops but larger social gatherings delayed until last. The elderly and vulnerable would be asked to stay at home for longer.'

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/10/social-distancing-measures-may-need-remain-place-indefinitely/

DeathByBoredom · 11/04/2020 07:35

Oh ... I hadn't actually read today's news yet.

It's a hard sell to the torygraph readers so they will go bigtime on protecting the elderly, building a giant shield around them, an army of volunteers etc etc. Make them feel safe, threaten their pensions a bit if those youngsters don't get back to work, cowardly snowflakes etc.

Fun to watch it play out at least. Got to find some amusement in a pandemic. The Boris wildcard was a fun addition to the mix. If he died/s, all bets are off.

MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 07:40

It's a hard sell to the torygraph readers so they will go bigtime on protecting the elderly, building a giant shield around them, an army of volunteers etc etc. Make them feel safe, threaten their pensions a bit if those youngsters don't get back to work, cowardly snowflakes etc.

Torygraph comments section is overwhelmingly in favour of lifting the lockdown. That's almost certainly skewed to their younger readership, but worth noting.

dottiedodah · 11/04/2020 07:40

I think that its most likely to be May /June time .ATM the Govt has a difficult balancing act between restarting the economy ,and not worsening the pandemic! I dont think Jan 2021 has been mentioned as a start date yet!

drspouse · 11/04/2020 07:51

A large swathe of elderly don't think they are at risk and would happily go and visit family, go to the pub etc tomorrow.

backatschool · 11/04/2020 07:55

I'm in the Netherlands. We locked down a week or so before the UK and current communication is that schools may possibly reopen in early May, but with social distancing needing to remain in place to an extent. So a staggered start - some year groups going back for a couple of days a week but not all year groups at once, splitting classes between mornings and afternoons or different days, parents not allowed to come into classrooms, various other possibilities. Schools have been told to prepare for "any combination of the above".

AmelieTaylor · 11/04/2020 08:01

@DeathByBoredom

Yes. This is exactly what will happen but it's not just schools. There's no other real option now. It's so boring waiting for the rest of you to arrive at that foregone conclusion, frankly. If you could all hurry up, I'd be really grateful. Preferably before the economy is permanently fucked

I don't actually give a flying fuck that you're bored. Grow the hell up.

As for 'Cowardly' - do fuck off.

You sound about 14 - and that's insulting the 14year olds I know who understand that as boring as this might be, they're saving the lives of others more vulnerable

Jesus wept. Grow up.

AmelieTaylor · 11/04/2020 08:07

@DeathByBoredom

Fun to watch it play out at least. Got to find some amusement in a pandemic

God you're a nasty bit of work.

BelleSausage · 11/04/2020 08:16

The people so obsessed with opening schools can go in to teach. I shall certainly be refusing to go into work if I feel it is too early and the health of myself and my family are being put at risk.

No one has yet counted the number of dead teachers. But I would suspect there are a few. A headteacher died two weeks ago just as schools closed. Lockdown has decreased the risk. Send us back and you will see headlines about dead teachers.

Stellamboscha · 11/04/2020 08:22

I am a teacher and I want to go back to work as soon as possible for the mental heath of my pupils -so they have a structure and a sense that the adults are calm and in charge and as an antidote to the hysteria they are being fed by the media.
Sure some teachers will
Play the self-isolation card -they are the ones that jumped ship early anyway and forced the closedown. And some parents will keep pupils away, but the majority can get back to being normal teenagers (and I miss even the daftness naughtiness that they should be able to practise as they push boundaries part of growing up instead of being made fearful by panicking adults.
Will happily teach large classes and extra classes if needed.

Stellamboscha · 11/04/2020 08:25

@BelleSausage I will cover for you - I expect already did before the closures anyway -stay at home. Better the children are taught by calm adults.
Teachers who are unwilling to teach could perhaps reflect on a more amenable career?

MarginalGain · 11/04/2020 08:26

The people so obsessed with opening schools can go in to teach. I shall certainly be refusing to go into work if I feel it is too early and the health of myself and my family are being put at risk.

Presumably they have their own jobs to get back to, you know, paying taxes and funding the NHS and schools and so on?

You do whatever you see fit for your family. No one is going to force you into work, are they?

Peppafrig · 11/04/2020 08:41

@purplelila2 exactly two weeks they have been closed. This week and next are Easter holidays that school would have been closed anyway. So two weeks closed for covid.

Piggywaspushed · 11/04/2020 08:42

Teachers who are unwilling to teach could perhaps reflect on a more amenable career?

Oh, come on now. What a ridiculous thing to say.