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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Cremebrule · 10/04/2020 21:22

What I can’t understand though is what will happen to those who are shielding or more vulnerable. Could we be in a position where they have support to stay socially distanced but everyone else gets back to normal and play Russian roulette hoping they are in the cohort that get mild symptoms? I don’t think lockdown can happen for a year but there must be people who are very scared about the prospect of it ending. It’s amazing how quickly it seems the norm now. I can’t imagine getting on a tube, going to crowded events etc. It feels like a world away.

I’d like to see shops and small businesses start to reopen with social distancing applied. Obviously there would be challenges with schools being shut but it could be a partial step.

LilMissRe · 10/04/2020 21:24

@bettybattenburg

Exactly- it is a load of rubbish. That is why I mentioned this in response to a pp who said that we are following the science and the govt have the best advisors telling them what to do.

I say, err, no- scientists disagree amongst themselves, and so I take anything they say with a pinch of salt. I hope that common sense prevails. You only have to look at what is happening across the world to get some bearing of how serious this situation is. We are not special here. Even when we peak and plateau, who will know how long the plateau lasts for? Numbers need to be falling, consistently for any action to be considered, otherwise numbers will rise again.

The UK is not just one blob that starts and ends in London or the Midlands- there will be regional variations so we have to be very cautious here.

Large crowds should have been discouraged much earlier on- I can't believe Cheltenham went ahead (but then again think of all the money it was making and who may have had a financial interest in letting it go ahead).We should have locked down earlier than we did. In fact, we could have done quite a bit more, since January really, like stop flights going in or going out or at least insist on self quarantine for inbound flights, but we didn't and here we are and to think that sending the kids back to school after the hols is a good idea is truly baffling. I don't care who says it- It certainly isn't "all science".

One other thing- that article on the BBC a few days ago that suggested that closing school had limited impact was positing if closing schools was THE ONLY measure taken by the govt, which it isn't, so the whole idea is moot. It is just a story to get us all talking.

We can't even abide by simple social distancing rules. Not even the ministers are following their own advice.

Keep them closed, abide by social distancing, buckle down, test and contact trace, and give key workers the right equipment and support they need to do their jobs. We'll be out of this the sensible way.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 21:28

There is no getting out of this now. We are in the next stage: accommodation. It's here, it'll come and go, we will relax and tighten up social distancing, hopefully develop systems to protect the most vulnerable, and just get used to it.

refraction · 10/04/2020 21:30

One other thing- that article on the BBC a few days ago that suggested that closing school had limited impact was positing if closing schools was THE ONLY measure taken by the govt, which it isn't, so the whole idea is moot. It is just a story to get us all talking.

Absolutely this. Guess it worked.

HoffiCoffi13 · 10/04/2020 21:31

It’s interesting how many people are saying things like ‘as people can’t follow the rules we’ll be locked down for longer’ etc.
Prof. Neil Ferguson has said that more people are following social distancing rules than they anticipated. The numbers were based on 50% non compliance, and more than 50% of people are complying.

absolutelyknackeredcow · 10/04/2020 21:31

Jhńnh

bettybattenburg · 10/04/2020 21:36

The BBC are reporting that a 35 year old teacher has died from it.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 21:40

Yes. And schools have been closed for weeks now. A lot of people are going to die. A lot more are not. The virus isn't going away.

Cherrysoup · 10/04/2020 21:44

What about kids going home and infecting their potentially front line worker parents?

refraction · 10/04/2020 21:45

The BBC are reporting that a 35 year old teacher has died from it.

So sad.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 21:49

And schools have been closed for weeks now.

Schools aren't closed. They are still open for childcare for the children of key workers and for vulnerable students. It is quite possible that the teacher who has died has been in school frequently over the last 3 weeks.

Even if they haven't, schools have been closed for 3 weeks - which is a fairly typical period from being infected to death being reported....

That isn't saying that the teacher was infected at school. However, they could have been - either through having been in school looking after vulnerable / key worker children, or simply through being in school just before it closed.

Dozer · 10/04/2020 21:53

Radio said to day a much smaller proportion of DC were in school (childcare) than had been predicted.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 21:56

Dozer,

Yes (and this is a real concern for vulnerable children, whose risk of harm at home is greatest - hopefully there will be a level of compulsion for these children to come into school soon).

However, all our local schools are still open, with a rota of teachers looking after those children who are there.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 21:57

That's true, they could have been.

At some point, acceptance surely has to arrive. People in all spheres of life and ages may well die. The stats are clear on the most relevant age categories and health categories. The virus is going nowhere, we are going to have to come to terms with that and carry on, shielding our most vulnerable and either accepting our own risk, changing career or staying home for the next couple of years.

HoffiCoffi13 · 10/04/2020 21:58

I’m a chair of governors and of the 22 children identified as ‘extremely vulnerable’ and offered places at school, only one family have taken up the place. It’s worrying.

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 21:59

Our local primary only has one child as well.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 21:59

A lot of people are going to die. A lot more are not. The virus isn't going away.

I think this attitude is what is going to force teachers - and other front line workers, but this thread is about schools - into very risky situations over the coming months.

The public as a whole is becoming desensitised to death statistics, and are going to demand that schools reopen fully despite the number of teachers and other school staff (and also pupils) who will then become ill or die.

newwnamme · 10/04/2020 22:03

Are people not bored of this conversation yet? There is a thread on here literally every day which posits the same question... and the same comments are made on both sides. The naively optimistic 'they'll be back after May break' brigade, the 'no-one knows so there's no point in saying what you think' team and the gloom-mongering 'it'll be months, September if we're lucky' corner. Surely many if not most of you have seen these before?

Mascotte · 10/04/2020 22:06

Schools have to open. Work has to start. We can’t stay in forevermore

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 22:06

Yes. This is exactly what will happen but it's not just schools. There's no other real option now. It's so boring waiting for the rest of you to arrive at that foregone conclusion, frankly. If you could all hurry up, I'd be really grateful. Preferably before the economy is permanently fucked.

FrippEnos · 10/04/2020 22:08

FibiaTibiaHummas

Your hypocrisy is astounding.

You are calling people cowards but are happy to put their lives on the line whilst being a keyboard warrior on the internet.

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 22:12

Death,

So you think that everyone should go back to 'normal' tomorrow, and take the thousands and thousands of deaths due to the NHS being overwhelmed?

cantkeepawayforever · 10/04/2020 22:13

Or might you at least allow this first peak to subside?

FrippEnos · 10/04/2020 22:13

DeathByBoredom
Yes. And schools have been closed for weeks now.

And you claim to have a greater understanding of all this than everyone else.

Redwinestillfine · 10/04/2020 22:13

Interesting point @HoffiCoffi13 I wonder how many people would choose to put their kids in school if they did open? We could have a place now if we wanted ( we don't) and most people I know with key worker places aren't using them

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