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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 19:56

I don’t think anything will happen before the 12 week for vulnerable people is up-as has been stated many times, many schools simply wouldn’t be able to safely staff and open until that is up.

If Ireland has just decided to continue lockdown until 4th May, I can’t see anywhere here sending schools back then.

Hollyhead · 10/04/2020 19:56

@FibiaTibiaHummus absolutely right.

FibiaTibiaHummas · 10/04/2020 19:56

Well now you have put it that way I am completely convinced that thousands of people should die so you can go back to "normal" life. It would be selfish of them not to, apparently.

Within living memory millions of young men were asked to risk their lives to preserve our way of life.
Not only to risk their lives, but to face untold horrors and hardship along the way.

Now, it's NHS staff, bus drivers, supermarket workers and the like.

But the rest of us cower in our houses and screech that we should be protected.

It's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed by us all.

Do I think teachers should be asked to go back? Yes.
Do I think I should be able to risk my life to preserve our way of life?
Yes (I'm vulnerable btw).

If we continue with lockdown for much longer it will destroy our way of life. It's unrealistic. It's cowardly.

Piggywaspushed · 10/04/2020 19:57

second guess

How rude.

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 19:57

If the schools are back in May, I take it that means that the kids can sit their GCSEs then

Schools won’t be back in May.
GCSEs and A levels WON’T be happening this year.

refraction · 10/04/2020 19:59

refraction, the only deaths we are trying to avoid from the lockdown are those that would have been caused by a lack of NHS care and facilities. It is subtle, but throughout the government has said that the lockdown is to prevent too many people from getting seriously ill at the same time. Not to stop anyone from getting it at all.

Who knew! Hmm

MarginalGain · 10/04/2020 20:01

I Love LOVE all the armchair experts on here. Was I the only one to actually follow the link to the SAGE report and read it?

Do you think that SAGE has a monopoly on covid19 research?

As explained extensively before, we are headed for a global depression. Things are going to be shit. Accept it. Rushing back to work and school to try to save an economy that is already tanked will only completely and finally break beyond recovery our public services. And then we would be double fucked.

I'm not sure you understand; government policy has to reflect the will of the people. I do not think there is a wellspring of support for schools closed until September - if they're biohazards as suggested, this is not a good time for a spike in covid19 cases.

Quartz2208 · 10/04/2020 20:02

I think realistically NI and Scotland will be next term given that they break up in June so I think they are next term

Same reason US schools have shut down now they break up in May.

England (and Wales?) are trickier given the mid july break up. I think they may well try for 2-3 weeks at the end

I definitely think it would be before the 12 week shielding period which I think ends around the end of the last week in June?

refraction · 10/04/2020 20:04

If we continue with lockdown for much longer it will destroy our way of life. It's unrealistic. It's cowardly.

Thankfully we have some good Scientists in charge and those willing to look at every option and ask questions.

Sad you think the way you do. But each to their own.

Appuskidu · 10/04/2020 20:05

I definitely think it would be before the 12 week shielding period which I think ends around the end of the last week in June?

Why before?

DeathByBoredom · 10/04/2020 20:05

Exams are definitely not happening in May, no matter what.

Branster · 10/04/2020 20:07

I have an electric car, I don't use it very often. Go ahead and ban them if you like, no skin off my nose.
Never mind that simply manufacturing said car produced its own pollution and that it was delivered to the shipping container and showroom on a trailer and it was shipped on a vessel which uses fuel.
If this pandemic doesn’t make us see how intertwined and global everything is, I don’t know what would.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/04/2020 20:08

I didn't buy an electric car to save the world, I got it because I'm tight.

riceuten · 10/04/2020 20:08

I think this is wishful thinking by the OP and sundry other posters. I work for an LA and we are banking on - all being well - 1/9/2020. Sorry if that's not what you want to hear, but it seems the most sensible suggestion at the moment

I can't see this descending into a "bash the teaching profession" thread at all, can you? I mean, it's not even a proper jobzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Candycane45 · 10/04/2020 20:09

Well then it will be obvious to you that schools will reopen in June. By June the NHS will have capacity to take on a new surge in cases. They will want to expose as many as they can in the summer. September or later risks a surge at the same time as flu and other winter illnesses which would cause the NHS to buckle under the pressure. They cannot end the lockdown without schools going back because parents will not have any childcare. They may need even open schools first in May as a phased return.

Quartz2208 · 10/04/2020 20:10

@Appuskidu I meant it definitely wouldnt be before the end of the shielding period rather than would!

I think after that is when if it looking like we are on the right track they would start to think about schools to get the last 2 to 3 weeks of term

sophielaa · 10/04/2020 20:11

No chance

Lulublu · 10/04/2020 20:15

I think it is likely that schools and everything else will open up before many people feel comfortable (especially the vulnerable) i.e. when the NHS can cope, schools can be staffed. The result may be a section of kids not being sent to school until a vaccine and therefore a delay in their education. It would seem bizarre for the government to mandate going back to school at x date when there is still a risk - the impact on mental health would be huge for those individuals. We’re going to end up with a very divided society - one part up and running and the other waiting it out.

MarginalGain · 10/04/2020 20:17

Thankfully we have some good Scientists in charge and those willing to look at every option and ask questions.

In fact, a cabinet government is currently in charge; one that also considers such mundane things as personal freedoms, economy, the future of the health service and so on.

Epidemiologists, useful though they may be, have but one interest: reducing disease transmission.

Bluewavescrashing · 10/04/2020 20:17

Infants are incapable of social distancing. Parents gathering to drop off and collect is a hot-spot for transmission. It's not safe.

LittleBearPad · 10/04/2020 20:17

The impact on mental health of keeping everyone locked down is also huge.

Sending the English and Welsh kids back in September (Scottish in August) is worse for the NHS. I think the govt will try to avoid this.

nellythenarwhal · 10/04/2020 20:17

I have a year 12 so selfishly hoping that y10 and y12 go back in June/July or that there's an announcement about next year's exams being adjusted somehow to take into account the lost teaching time.

Lulublu · 10/04/2020 20:19

@MarginalGain I completely agree - let’s not forget: the government want to get re-elected. They will take a balanced view. Whether we like it or not, they don’t care as much about our individual lives as we do. That’s not to say people don’t have the right to be worried.

Candycane45 · 10/04/2020 20:19

All parents have the right to home school their kids if they want. However, the government is not going to force a proportion of children to miss out on their education for a long period just because there isn’t a vaccine. That’s totally unrealistic. There may never be a vaccine that works against this. I hope there will be one but there are no guarantees.

MarginalGain · 10/04/2020 20:19

If we continue with lockdown for much longer it will destroy our way of life. It's unrealistic. It's cowardly.

I agree, and this is the real-world consensus. MN is a weird distillation of lockdown cheerleaders.