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Schools could reopen in weeks

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Orangeblossom78 · 10/04/2020 15:21

In todays "Times"

"Schools could reopen in a few weeks as coronavirus restrictions begin to be lifted, Public Health England suggested this morning.

Paul Cosford, the agency’s emeritus medical director, said that easing the lockdown for the young first was being considered as ministers look to set out an exit plan for the coming weeks.

Finding a way out of lockdown is the government’s “number one topic and priority”, according to Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London, one of its leading advisers on the epidemic.

Professor Cosford said: “People are doing really well with the social distancing and it is working as far as we can see to flatten this pandemic,” but acknowledged the balance between controlling the epidemic and allowing normal life to resume.

He said that now was not the moment to relent, telling Today on BBC Radio 4: “Once you start getting things under control, that’s the time you absolutely need to continue with all your measures so that you can bring the disease right down and crack it.”

He expects there to be “a lot of discussions over the next week or so” about an exit strategy. Asked if restrictions might be eased in several weeks, he said: “I think several weeks isn’t unreasonable. Let’s hope it’s sooner than that.”

He said that starting by letting the young resume normal life was being considered. “The importance of children’s education, children being in school is paramount. That’s not the only issue but I could conceive of circumstances where some of the restrictions are lifted sooner and some are lifted later,” he said.

“There are some really difficult issues here because if you look at children and the closure of schools, a very important measure to help get this under control, but we do know that children are very low risk of getting serious complications of this disease.”

Professor Ferguson told the same programme that while hospital admissions appeared to be plateauing, “it’s going to be several more weeks before we can definitively conclude anything about the rate of decline and therefore when measures could be lifted”.

He said it was “good news” that more people were obeying social distancing rules than the government expected and said that “measures will be targeted probably by age, by geography” on lifting lockdown.

“There are lots of ideas worth exploring. That’s what’s happening right now. We clearly don’t want these measures to continue longer than is absolutely necessary — the economic costs, social costs, personal costs and health costs are huge.”

Head teachers are lobbying the government to reopen schools before the summer holidays, even for just a few weeks, if scientific advice says that it is safe.

Paul Whiteman and Geoff Barton, the general secretaries of the NAHT and ASCL head teachers’ unions, have told ministers pupils would benefit greatly from schools reopening before the summer, rather than waiting until September.

They believe that even a few weeks of school would help pupils remember what formal learning is like and what is required of them. If schools do not open before the summer children will have been away from the classroom and formal learning for more than five months.

The Department for Education is said to have shown a “genuine interest” in the approach, which would see pupils return for a number of weeks during the summer term to “reacquaint themselves with the educational environment”.

The government has made clear that it is too soon to consider reopening schools after the Easter holidays following speculation that pupils could return as soon as April 20.

“That said, once the scientific advice is that schools can return safely, they should do so, even if it’s for a very limited period before the summer break, as this will allow young people to reacquaint themselves with the educational environment,” the two leaders told Schools Week journal.

However, they warned that any return to normality “has to be a planned one”.

“It can’t be about flicking a switch on a Friday night and then thinking it’s all going to be all right on a Monday morning,” they said.

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FibiaTibiaHummus · 10/04/2020 19:23

www.independent.co.uk/environment/air-pollution-deaths-towns-cities-car-crash-particulate-matter-environment-a9302466.html

And you left out premature deaths that will result from the damaged lungs of those who were badly affected but who survived the virus

They'll likely be affected by air pollution caused by cars once the vaccines are developed.
Will you be baying for the banning of cars then, or will you be one of the ones saying 'but it's essential for my daily life'...?

refraction · 10/04/2020 19:24

You need me to explain air pollution...?

GrinHmm

FourTeaFallOut · 10/04/2020 19:25

I have an electric car, I don't use it very often. Go ahead and ban them if you like, no skin off my nose.

Candycane45 · 10/04/2020 19:25

a lot of people just don’t understand that significant damage to the economy also costs lives. They just don’t get it and probably won’t do unless they are personally affected by it. Fortunately we have a government that does understand economics and so will act to try to reduce the damage. I just hope they act quickly enough. So many people just don’t get the point of the lockdown. The point is not to save lives that would not already have been lost to the virus. The point is to ensure that the NHS can provide care to all who needs it by giving the government time to build more hospitals and buy ventilators. Once it’s done that the lockdown will be over.

FibiaTibiaHummus · 10/04/2020 19:27

If you've run a car for years - maybe you're just as selfish as anyone wanting returning to normal life now.

You just don't see it that way, and now it's you who is frightened, for yourself or for your family.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/04/2020 19:29

Confused You are making a lot of judgements on a lot of presumptions.

FibiaTibiaHummus · 10/04/2020 19:31

a lot of people just don’t understand that significant damage to the economy also costs lives

Exactly. Where do you think the funding for the NHS and the benefits system come from? The taxes of working people and business revenues of course.

This is not the first pandemic, and it won't be the last. Nothing closed for the Hong Kong flu epidemic, which killed 80 000 in the UK.
We think that we should be immune from death now - protected from it above all costs.
It's unrealistic and the people calling for it do not understand death, or life.

refraction · 10/04/2020 19:31

Until coronavirus is the backbone of our economy and transportation system, I'd probably drop the puerile comparison to cars.

Heart disease is the biggest killer in the UK, and no, I'm not advocating banning hearts either.

Let's keep schools shut to reduce transmission and allow the severely ill to be treated properly. Maybe you can do some work on flattening the curve on cars - I would be highly interested to read it.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/04/2020 19:31

Probably 1st week June as cases in all countries are expected to be v low over summer
That would enable parents to get back to work and drag the economy out of the toilet

The govt might even postpone the school holidays to Autumn, to enable work & school to continue over summer

We'll probably resume some social distancing in Autumn & winter if / when the 2nd COVID wave comes,
but I don't know if that would go as far as short lockdowns

refraction · 10/04/2020 19:34

Today I learned medical care = trying to cheat death. Damn those misunderstanding doctors.

Piggywaspushed · 10/04/2020 19:36

I know this may seem small fry compared to other concerns but getting rid of school summer holidays does consign teachers (and children!) to a hell of a long time without a break bcf! Teaching from home and learning from home should still count as work and learning. Otherwise, why bother?

Maryann1975 · 10/04/2020 19:38

Our school closed before the official guidance said they had to because they didn’t have enough staff to open safely. Why do people think there will be enough staff for them to Open back up soon. I don’t think the majority of people have had it yet, (although testing would massively help us to know this for sure) so to reopen schools would give head teachers the massive problem of staff shortages again.

BelleSausage · 10/04/2020 19:38

I Love LOVE all the armchair experts on here. Was I the only one to actually follow the link to the SAGE report and read it?

As explained extensively before, we are headed for a global depression. Things are going to be shit. Accept it. Rushing back to work and school to try to save an economy that is already tanked will only completely and finally break beyond recovery our public services. And then we would be double fucked.

Nothing is going to be the same again. The sooner people accept that the sooner we can all get on with finding a new way.

Fluffybutter · 10/04/2020 19:40

Well to be pedantic it will be weeks ,but whether it’s 5 weeks or 15 weeks remains to be seen

LittleBearPad · 10/04/2020 19:40

I would be extremely concerned if this agenda was pushed forward before it was completely safe to do so.

But that means until everyone who hasn’t had it, is vaccinated. This isn’t realistic.

FibiaTibiaHummus · 10/04/2020 19:40

The frightened, scared public are calling the shots like never before.
It is causing madness, and will cause greater madness.
I put it to you all that it is not the ones who understand the need to return to normal who are selfish.
It is the ones who would rather preserve their lives over a lives worth living for the rest of society, who are the selfish ones. They don't mean to be selfish - true. They are frightened, and with good cause. But they also don't understand what they are suggesting.

Candycane45 · 10/04/2020 19:45

In fairness the gov’s messaging hasn’t been as clear as it could have been and it’s probably caused confusion. They keep saying they will ease lockdown when scientific evidence says they can, but they don’t say exactly what this means. I believe it means when new infections have slowed and they have built up enough capacity in hospitals to cope with a second wave. I think a lot of the public thinks the intention is to stamp out the virus or keep it at bay until a vaccine comes. The first is impossible now that the virus has spread so far across the world. The second would cause the economy to collapse to the point where we would not even be able to fund basic health care - it would in itself destroy the NHS, as well as many other things we take for granted.

refraction · 10/04/2020 19:45

Well now you have put it that way I am completely convinced that thousands of people should die so you can go back to "normal" life. It would be selfish of them not to, apparently.

What tipped you over the edge? Stock market losses, having to spend time with your kids, the flour shortage disrupting your baking? Genuinely curious.

drspouse · 10/04/2020 19:48

it would be useful if schools actually went back a couple of weeks after some other social distancing measures were lifted. Children could then meet up with friends on a more informal,social basis before they're flung back into a formal classroom setting.

I would say the opposite, if we are opening schools before mid June we should ONLY open schools.

I would say the end of May is close enough to the end of shielding to have limited opening:
More vulnerable pupils e.g. Year 7/8 and those about to leave, years 6, 11, 13.
Others showed not to come: pupils with family members with underlying health conditions, teachers ditto.
Possibly part time where you can't have the full school in.
Accept that you won't have social distancing for nursery/EYFS/KS1/SEN and parents can decide not to send kids, teachers with health conditions can stay home or ask to be redeployed (e.g. Y1 could do Y5 remote learning if Y5 is in part time)

LindainLockdown · 10/04/2020 19:48

I think they will return in May. Can't see schools enforcing attendance rules strictly in the last half-term if some parents want to keep their kids at home, so keep your kids at home if you don't want them to return but mine will be going back.

Candycane45 · 10/04/2020 19:52

refraction, the only deaths we are trying to avoid from the lockdown are those that would have been caused by a lack of NHS care and facilities. It is subtle, but throughout the government has said that the lockdown is to prevent too many people from getting seriously ill at the same time. Not to stop anyone from getting it at all.

drspouse · 10/04/2020 19:53

Can't see schools enforcing attendance rules strictly in the last half-term
Yes this is my thought too though my DD HT says there are some vulnerable families she needs to see in every day on time even at the moment.

Iateallthecookies000 · 10/04/2020 19:54

What’s more important, saving lives or not looking after your own children?

panicstationsready · 10/04/2020 19:54

It'll be September.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/04/2020 19:55

If the schools are back in May, I take it that means that the kids can sit their GCSEs then. Rather than having Educators second guess their results based on their academic level. It seems very very very unfair. I wasn’t at all academic bottom set for everything aside from English. Yet some how I still came out with 5 GCSEs. Therefore if I’d not sat my GCSE’:”s I’d have probably been given a G grade. Some people do better in exams others in the academic studies.