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To tell vulnerable relative they'll just have to make do

266 replies

Shrubbish · 09/04/2020 16:00

A member of my family has learning difficulties, no formal diagnosis but struggles with basic reading/writing and social skills. They have capacity but function mentally much younger than they are. They are elderly.

They cannot and do not budget their money. This makes things difficult because they do have capacity so are expected to be responsible, but responsible they are not.

They called me this morning (2nd week in a row) and said they are running low on food and can I help. They don't bank, they use the post office so I couldn't simply transfer the money over.

Faced with the possibility of them going without until they get paid on Tuesday, I very reluctantly agreed to give them another £20.

I had to visit three different cash points as two were out of service, I then met them in a desolate car park (maintaining the 2m distance) and put the money on the floor. I was wearing gloves, not to say I think that makes things any better.

The same happened last week, they needed £10 which was supposed to be for bread, milk, cereal etc. I suspect they spent it on cigarettes.

I can't and won't do this again, but what do I say when they call me and say they're without food/electric?

I'm anxious and angry because I've put myself and others at risk, but felt obligated as they are telling me they would be without food. I have children at home and a DH who is currently taking unpaid leave, so all of our efforts to stay safe seem pointless if I continue to disregard the rules.

Feel free to give me a hard time, I encourage it. I'm furious with myself and would expect nothing less.

WIBU to say that's it, no more, either budget or go without.

OP posts:
Shrubbish · 09/04/2020 22:33

No she doesn't lack capacity

OP posts:
Bookoffacts · 09/04/2020 22:36

Can't you use gendered pronouns. It's very hard to read with them /they throughout?
Are they gender fluid?

LangClegsInSpace · 09/04/2020 22:41

That is frustrating. Did they do a full needs assessment? In normal times you can challenge the LA through the complaints procedure and then local government ombudsman if they don't do a full needs assessment or if you disagree with the decision. I don't know how well that system is working at the moment, it was never all that good anyway.

The new rules allow LAs to defer full needs assessments and prioritise those in the most immediate need. They can only do this once they have reached above normal capacity and they have to document everything. The 'spirit' of the new rules seems to be to encourage LAs to provide care now and worry about whether people meet the threshold later, rather than making the criteria for care even more stringent. No idea how this is working in practice and it will vary between LAs.

If you haven't yet had a carer's needs assessment that's another route you could go - a whole new assessment, possibly by a different set of people, focused on your needs.

A needs assessment should not depend on any particular diagnosis. Even if there is no diagnosis the local authority should still assess her needs and what support she needs to meet them. A carer's assessment should focus on what your needs are to continue supporting your mother, regardless of diagnosis.

However you are under no obligation to continue supporting your mother.

If you have immediate concerns for her welfare you can contact the LA and ask to speak to whoever is in charge of safeguarding adults.

LangClegsInSpace · 09/04/2020 22:44

The word 'needs' now looks a bit funny because I've typed it too much.

Shrubbish · 09/04/2020 23:05

@Bookoffacts I've stated that it is my mum and referred to her as "she" many times

@LangClegsInSpace Thank you for the information, and no she hasn't had a full needs assessment done. I was pretty much fobbed off from the get go. I appreciate there are those who have far more complex needs who require their services though.

If you were to take the selfishness and irresponsibility out of the equation there would be no issue at all, I'm not even sure I can blame those attributes on her learning difficulties because as PP's have mentioned there are plenty who have a learning disability who don't behave in this way.

Gah, I'm rambling now

Thank you for listening

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forrestgreen · 09/04/2020 23:06

Tbh I'd send a text saying she needs to be careful with money from now on as you have none to spare. This means she has £x a week or £x a day to spend, please don't spend more on Tuesday or you won't have enough to last the fortnight.

Do you believe she'd starve, does she have food reserves?
If she messages later say you've no money to spare but you've a bit of food she could have, and get dh to drop off basics.

Butterymuffin · 09/04/2020 23:11

I don't actually owe her anything, quite the opposite, so I don't know why I feel so responsible for her. It's very deep rooted.

The desire to be close to your mother, love her and feel loved in return is deep rooted. You're very hard on yourself. It's well recognised that children of abusive or neglectful mothers still want to please them and get a positive response from them. Hard work to detach from that but you need to look after yourself and your own health.

oncemorewithfeeling99 · 09/04/2020 23:22

Not helpful for now, but it might help to ask social services for your files from when you are a child. It might explain more what is going on with your mum and also provide some external validation for what you went through neglect files. I would imagine under FOI you could request them.

EmeraldShamrock · 09/04/2020 23:22

Like others have said drop off food. Yanbu it is frustrating parenting a parent whatever her circumstances. Give her fair warning it won't be happening again.

Blueemeraldagain · 09/04/2020 23:39

I think you are doing a wonderful job in very challenging circumstances.

You use the word “borrow” frequently. Does your mother ever pay you back? If not, perhaps this natural consequence will motivate her to at least try and budget.

I teach teenagers with SEMH needs and many of their parents display the same behaviours as their children: lack of emotional control, impulsivity, lack of awareness of consequences and (I hate to say it) a selfishness that comes from extreme immaturity. We tend to find that natural consequences, followed through each and every time helps.

The difficulty will be if paying you back will financially break her so she needs to borrow more etc. So maybe a conversation saying “since January (or whenever seems sensible) I have leant you £xxx. You have not paid any of this back. From now on you will have to pay me back whatever you borrow. I think £5 a week (or whatever, it can be £2) is fair.”

Shrubbish · 09/04/2020 23:58

Do you believe she'd starve, does she have food reserves - I'm not completely sure. She tends to shop on an as needed basis and doesn't do bulk shops very often.

The desire to be close to your mother, love her and feel loved in return is deep rooted. You're very hard on yourself. It's well recognised that children of abusive or neglectful mothers still want to please them and get a positive response from them - sad but very true. I've announced many times that I'm having no more to do with her (not without good reason at the time) but I always end up letting my guard down because despite everything I do care about her.

You use the word “borrow” frequently. Does your mother ever pay you back? She does pay me back yes, I can't fault her in that regard. This means she's 20-30 pounds down when she does get her money, so then falls short again soon after.

selfishness that comes from extreme immaturity - that describes her perfectly I'm afraid to say.

An example of this is how she left me stranded in the house for three days with my newborn after offering of her own accord to take a my pram wheel to a bicycle shop see if she could get a replacement inner tube. She took the wheel then decided she would rather go and get pissed so turned her phone off and didn't get in touch for three days so I couldn't take DS out of the house. A replacement inner tube from eBay arrived before I managed to get the wheel back.

That might seem quite mild in the grand scheme of things but the list is endless.

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MoreSchnitzelPlease · 10/04/2020 00:11

"OP can your husband drop money/food off to your mum, instead of you having to do it?" - yes I'm sure he would do that. Truth be told I haven't even broached the possibility of him doing it before. I'm embarrassed and didn't want to make it 'his' problem iykwim

If you feel able to, I really think you should let your husband help you with your mum. This situation is causing you considerable stress, and you need to look after your health as you are more vulnerable to covid-19. It sounds like your husband is much more able to deal with this at the moment, and you should not have to bear this burden all by yourself. I would absolutely want to help my spouse if they were in your situation, and I'm sure your husband would feel the same way. I can understand why you would find it embarrassing to broach the subject, but I think you will feel a sense of relief by sharing the problem.

Blueemeraldagain · 10/04/2020 00:14

I really sympathise. Your mother sounds very similar to some of the parents I work with. I can’t tell you the number of times I have told a parent about some great academic breakthrough their child has made (we are a secondary school but many of our students arrive with a reading age of under 7) and the only response is “oh great, I can put that on Facebook.”

If she is at least reliable in paying you back then maybe lower the repayments or lengthen the time the money is repaid over? Perhaps she has got caught in a cycle of always being the £20 she borrowed short?

Heartburn888 · 10/04/2020 00:36

Don’t answer the phone

GameChange123 · 10/04/2020 02:31

If not already, it might be worth getting them registered on the Priority Service register with the utility companies (power, water) who can help out if there is a power /water outage. (meals & bottled water, assistance ). DWP or GP can arrange food bank referral and possibly emergency electric credit.

I,'ve referred my mum to her local authority Covid19 community hub as we are hundreds of miles away (fellow
Child of neglectful mother)

giggly · 10/04/2020 02:48

I think the problem here is that you have said they cannot budget on their own due to their LD. That implies that they are a vulnerable adult which would invoke Adult Support and Protection via social work.
Glad I’m not related to the op on here that are saying well that’s tough Sad
Have we all forgot about “be kind” already?

giggly · 10/04/2020 02:49

Sorry should read as PP not op

EmeraldShamrock · 10/04/2020 08:43

I don't know your financial situation.
Could you afford to lose £20 or £30 as a one off? Is yes tell her this is the last one, so she won't have to budget paying it back it will put her on an even.
After that you have to say No.
My DM is very childlike but not selfish I know how hard it is to treat your adult parent as a child. ❤

Aridane · 10/04/2020 17:37

You are not being unreasonable. They are just scamming you. Otherwise they would take you up on your offer

Oh AFFS

Jeeperscreepers69 · 10/04/2020 17:45

Contact social services. Express your concerns. Let them help.

lovelylegs2019 · 10/04/2020 17:49

Having similar relations with vulnerabilities and needing support - you sound horrible I’m afraid 😟 they are vulnerable and probably can’t process everything like you can and won’t see the dangers.

Diva66 · 10/04/2020 17:53

She’s guilt tripping you, and you are right to think you’re taking unnecessary risks.

Foquita · 10/04/2020 17:57

You are talking about a vulnerable person that clearly can’t cope on their own, have some patience!! It’s heartbreaking to hear about the lack of solidarity and how some people can’t make a bit of an effort for others that clearly need their help.

Rachel709 · 10/04/2020 17:59

Either buy them what they need or say to bad.

Jack80 · 10/04/2020 18:08

I would contact you local council and even social services and say your relative isn't coping moneywise and you have tried your best to help but believe an outsider could help better