Would it be unreasonable of me not to 'clap for Boris' tonight?

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I've just seen this in my FB page.
A local group has shared it.
'Clap for Boris' (see pic) Tonight 8pm.
Human to human, I wish him well & a full recovery but I won't be clapping...

its a free world - do what you want .

Not quite sure why it even needs a discussion tbh .

ChazsBrilliantAttitude
My view is simple you want to clap and pray for people suffering COVID 19 then do it for all of them not just the famous one.

Hear Hear!!

I am so depressed reading this thread. Some Really horrible comments. If you don’t want to clap then don’t but you don’t need to be so bloody nasty.

I can't recall any nasty comments? No-one has wished him ill. Saying you don't want to clap because you have political differences or hold the PM and his party responsible for austerity and the shit state of the NHS is not being 'nasty'.

Christ no. Turkeys cheering Christmas.

I'm getting sick of hearing people on TV saying they think he'll be OK, he's a fighter. So do they think the people who died didn't fight, is he some superior being. I hate it when they do it with cancer as well.

you want to clap and pray for people suffering COVID 19 then do it for all of them not just the famous one.

Thirded

I'm getting sick of hearing people on TV saying they think he'll be OK, he's a fighter. So do they think the people who died didn't fight, is he some superior being.

I agree, I was thinking this earlier, feeling terrible for the people who have lost loved ones, does this make them weak because they died, I think not

So many people literally would turn up and clap for shit right now.

It changes nothings and it's a pile of crap.

And no I suddenly don't feel sorry for horrible people just because they are ill, I find that quite hypocritical.

So we are suddenly going to grieve for rapists, murderers, child abusers and wife beaters just because they get ill??
I would not bat an eyelid then and I won't bat an eyelid now.

And yes Boris is not any of that but he is in a group of people who don't give a shit about huge swathes of the British public in a normal everyday life. Why should I give a shit now?

For all you people clapping, espescially the ones who can't stand Boris and what he stand for, for them to clap just because he is sick is hypocritical.

And don't start that, "oh I'm sorry on a human level" crap, as when those thousands of people have starved to death in the UK due to government ideologies, Did you stop and give a random fuck for any of them?? No, but lots of victim blaming went on...

What makes Boris more special than any of them or more special than any of the 5000 plus people already known to have died of Covid-19... NOTHING

it's just virtue signalling and hypocrisy.

right, people are being left without care but 'the NHS isn't being overwhelmed'

clap away, I won;'t be there, tho obvs I hope he recovers

The clapping is silly now sorry.

Protect the NHS and all the essential workers but I'm done with the fecking clapping now.

'Do other patients get moved to ITU, just in case? Do you think he'll be subject to a frailty score and conversation around whether his life is worth attempting to save? Do you think a ventilator will be on standby for him, rather than him being in a queue for one? Do you think ECMO will be made available for him when it won't be for other patients who need it?'

For monitoring yes. For example arterial lines that monitor the oxygen, pH and CO2 in the blood can't be used on wards. High dependency units are now being used as critical care beds so it isn't as if he could just go there for escalation.

You really do HCPs a disservice with your cynicism.

I wish him well in his recovery but his illness doesn't change my opinion of him.
I won't be clapping and I find the sycophants I have seen today on social media elevating him to some kind of national hero a bit disturbing.

GetOffYourHighHorse

For Joe Public it's based on clinical need (if there's a bed). We wouldn't get taken into hospital just as a precaution would we? I'm reading reports of people calling 111 with temps of 40°C still after fourteen days and told to stay at home. People with says of 91% told to stay at home.

People not able to get a test unless admitted to hospital - just like the cabinet ministers right? Oh no, wait a minute!

But yeah, treated like the rest.of us they are.

'I'm reading reports of people calling 111 with temps of 40°C still after fourteen days and told to stay at home. People with says of 91% told to stay at home.'

I'd be interested to read these reports, because telling someone with a temp of 40c after 14days to stay at home sounds like clinical negligence to me. Or bollocks.

People are taken to hospital for tests like xrays all the time, yes they called it a precaution but that was to clarify that it wasnt an emergency admission.

I agree, I was thinking this earlier, feeling terrible for the people who have lost loved ones, does this make them weak because they died, I think not Yes Raab said it again today, he knows Boris will get well because he is a fighter. So bloody insulting, I felt like screaming at him. If Boris is so strong he can't beat it how come he needs ICU when some people don't even notice the symptoms? It just depends how badly you get it.

So strong he can beat it.

*I'm sure the drs and nurses looking after him will give him the same standard of care. But, do other patients get admitted to hospital this early in the disease, as a precaution? Do other patients get moved to ITU, just in case? Do you think he'll be subject to a frailty score and conversation around whether his life is worth attempting to save? Do you think a ventilator will be on standby for him, rather than him being in a queue for one? Do you think ECMO will be made available for him when it won't be for other patients who need it?

So, yeah, he won't be getting the same care as other patients*

Whoever wrote this ... well said.

I’m really starting to feel pissed off by all the “he’ll receive the same care as everyone else, we’re all in this together “. It’s utter bullshit. Joe Bloggs is being asked to sign a DNR on admission. An elderly terrified lady, on her own, pleading her case to want every means possible in order to stay alive.

I won't clap because I think we should be clapping for key workers.

If I clapped for Boris, I'd get lynched - I'm in Scotland and one of a large, but silent, number of Scots who vote Tory.

I'm getting sick of hearing people on TV saying they think he'll be OK, he's a fighter. So do they think the people who died didn't fight, is he some superior being.

It's awful. Nadine Dorries said (after her mother had recovered) that her mother was "made of strong stuff"

These messages of strong and weak help nobody.

In honour of Lockheart's sterling contribution to this thread, and indeed to the entire discourse of public life, I vote that Boris be hereinafter and in perpetuity referred to as Tinkerbell.

But I still do hope he gets better. I don't think anyone on here (except possibly the deleted one, I didn't see what it said) would wish otherwise. Gets better and sees the light would be the best outcome.

@middleager, I agree. I used to work in oncology and it was awful to hear people saying “he/she is a fighter” as if those who “lost their battle” just didn’t try hard enough.

Tonight I will be thinking of BJ and his families.

Why clap for one person when thousands are ill? Are leaders' lives more valuable than those of NHS staff who are dying because they don't have proper PPE? We clap for everyone, or no-one.

Tonight I will be thinking of BJ and his families.

Was that deliberate?!