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Would it be unreasonable of me not to 'clap for Boris' tonight?

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Otherrooms · 07/04/2020 09:34

I've just seen this in my FB page.
A local group has shared it.
'Clap for Boris' (see pic) Tonight 8pm.
Human to human, I wish him well & a full recovery but I won't be clapping... Hmm

Would it be unreasonable of me not to 'clap for Boris' tonight?
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user1471565182 · 08/04/2020 18:46

And I think those who believe your average labour voter just flips between them and the torys doesn't actually realise how the torys are truly seen... slightly above those scumbags who rip old people off for 'building work'.

Inkpaperstars · 08/04/2020 20:20

@user1471565182

It's not bollocks, I have heard it from the horses mouth and reported data. I am not saying they will do it again, who knows. Some probably stayed home too. But either way, not voting for the party they traditionally would. Not a stellar job when your defence is that your usual voters didn't vote for the other guy, they just didn't vote for you. The end result is the same.

fantasmasgoria1 · 08/04/2020 20:26

We didn't clap for Boris, no one in our street did either. During phone calls, chats with Facebook friends I discovered no one I know did or anyone around where they live. So who did?

VegetableMunge · 08/04/2020 21:02

It's not bollocks, I have heard it from the horses mouth and reported data.

Which horse's mouth and which data? There are certainly some voters who went from Labour to Tory, and their votes were given grossly disproportionate weight. But look at the percentage changes. Even if literally every gained Tory vote had been from Labour, which is unlikely given that they will have picked up some UKIP votes too, that would still mean Labour mostly lost votes to other left of centre parties.

For this not to be true, for Labour to have lost more votes to the Tories than the 1.2% Tory vote share, that would then mean the Tories lost loads of votes to left of centre parties. I'm not saying there weren't a few soft pro-EU ones who went Lib Dem instead, but it's not a plausible explanation for most of the non-Labour left vote percentage gain when the Labour vote share tanked.

Inkpaperstars · 08/04/2020 21:41

A mixture of media interviews, radio discussion and personal acquaintances. I highly doubt they were all lying. Why would they? It's not exactly something they want to admit, if anything it will be under reported. They did have varying reasons but several said this is not a vote for Boris, it's a vote against Corbyn.

According to Yougov, of people who voted labour in 2017 and voted again in 2019, 11% switched to the conservatives. Of people who voted leave in the referendum and voted labour in 2017, and participated in 2019, 25% voted conservative in 2019 (Lord Ashcroft polls).

Of the hundred constituencies with the most people in blue collar occupations, the Tories won 13 of them in 2017 and 31 in 2019 (bbc).

Whether it was switching or staying at home, the point is that traditional Labour heartland swung to the Tories. Labour couldn't win in the places they should have found easiest. With a different section of the party leading I suspect it could have been different.

I personally couldn't bring myself to vote for either of them.

Inkpaperstars · 08/04/2020 21:47

@VegetableMunge

Yes you do make a very good point there. Perhaps many went to other centre left parties, Yougov suggests 11 % went to Tories and 9% to lib dem. I guess either way the main opposition party couldn't garner the support. It's so dangerous when there is no credible opposition.

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