Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

OP posts:
LexMitior · 08/04/2020 17:58

Okay I think you have to take the statement very carefully;

sitting up in bed = he could do this with help, once

Engaging with doctors = he is able to respond to them

Neither is like the sunny picture of the PM sitting up in bed, having a chat. Though the press release encourages you to think it

Theflushedzebra · 08/04/2020 17:59

Oh I agree - but more positive news than "the PM has been put on a ventilator".

The80sweregreat · 08/04/2020 18:27

I'm sure he'll be ok.

Nochangeplease · 08/04/2020 21:46

He was sedated on Monday so hopefully this means there’s been an improvement

WildCoastalWolf · 09/04/2020 02:18

I think this is very positive. There is no way they would release that if he was still in a lot of danger. Such a relief, shocked at how worried I was about this.

HonkersVonFlapperson · 09/04/2020 03:14

@Nochangeplease where does it say he was sedated?

BovaryX · 09/04/2020 07:27

Really good news that it seems like he's on the road to recovery. Hope he continues to improve.

Aragog · 09/04/2020 07:48

No change please - where did you read he was sedated? The bbc have never used those words in anything I've read. They've just said he was in icu and didn't need a ventilator.

koshkatt · 09/04/2020 10:02

He was sedated on Monday so hopefully this means there’s been an improvement

More bloody rumour spreading. Hmm

RandomlyChosenName · 09/04/2020 10:11

I’ve been very surprised by my reaction to this. I didn’t think I liked Boris, but turns out I do. I have been (and still am tbh) really worried about him. Can’t wait to (hopefully) hear the news he’s out of hospital and hopefully see a picture of him giving a thumbs up in the not too distant future. Get well soon Boris.

koshkatt · 09/04/2020 10:12

Feel the same Randomly

I honestly think that it will give people a surge of hope when we see him up and about. We need it.

MistyIsland · 09/04/2020 10:20

Bet he’s getting the best treatment and all the staff treating him have ppe...

Meanwhile my family (nurses/paramedics) have run out of ppe...yet are expected to still treat covid-19 patients

As much as I don’t like him I don’t wish him dead, but sadly he’s not endeared himself to me at the moment my family are important and his lack of actions, lets all hand washing singing happy birthday shite when he should have been preparing to protect the NHS staff is a joke.

He will certainly be getting a shitty letter from me if any of my family members working for the NHS get fucking covid-19....

koshkatt · 09/04/2020 10:24

As much as I don’t like him I don’t wish him dead

Well that's good then.

HonkersVonFlapperson · 09/04/2020 10:31

Bet he’s getting the best treatment and all the staff treating him have ppe...

St Thomas's have isolation units within ICU, and they have an infectious disease unit, so yes - it is likely that the staff treating him to have PPE. It isn't his fault that Tommy's happened to be the closest hospital to 10 Downing Street.

And that lets all hand washing singing happy birthday shite saves lives. As many nurses and doctors will tell you. If you are family are telling you it doesn't, and they get COVID, perhaps question their poor attitudes to hygiene first (Yes, I do feel all staff should have PPE, but without good hygiene it's pointless).

koshkatt · 09/04/2020 10:34

Bet he’s getting the best treatment

Also - are you saying that HCPs look after 'ordinary' patients less well? Pretty horrendous thing to say really and a slur on them when they are flat out saving people's lives.

RandomlyChosenName · 09/04/2020 11:00

The best treatment thing is also on my mind. If he can’t get through it, there’s no hope for anyone else.

But if he comes out of ICU there’s hope.

(But mainly because I just seem to like him all of a sudden. Must be some kind of lockdown thing!)

Re testing and PPE. I think there isn’t enough due to the lack of pre pandemic prep. Which is awful, but not a criminal offence as no one has a crystal ball. I think by the time anyone realised there was going to be a pandemic it was already too late. Yes, I know that pandemics were always a possibility, but so we’re a lot of other things. Everything is a gamble.

Re the later lockdown and hand washing, I think everything that has been done/suggested was for the best of intentions. Not wanting to lockdown or close schools too early has proved right. Nearly a thousand people died yesterday and people still want to visit relatives at the weekend and send their children back to school. It would be MUCH harder to get people to understand and obey a lockdown if we’d started earlier and less people had been dying. People would be saying it was too much and the government was destroying the economy unnecessarily (like they are saying now, even though thousands of people have died).

So actually, I think the government have done as well as they could reasonably be expected to do without a crystal ball or a vaccine.

HonkersVonFlapperson · 09/04/2020 11:07

BoJo is not getting the best treatment there, that was given to me several years ago - in the same ICU, by the same staff, and most likely in the same room. There's absolutely no chance the treatment I received can be superseded.

crazydiamond222 · 09/04/2020 11:33

@koshkatt

I think if Mr Johnson had not been the PM he would have got more delayed treatment and a later admission. However I think if is probably fair to say that once admitted he would have got the same standard of care from the individuals involved although possibly with a higher staffing ratio than others.

RosesandIris · 09/04/2020 12:04

I find it astonishing that he hadn’t spoken to a doctor for a week and then spoke to one on a video link who sent him straight to hospital. Imagine if he hadn’t spoken to the doctor at all!

MistyIsland · 09/04/2020 12:30

Ahh so my family’s lives who are treating corona virus without ppe is ok then....they have zero masks and are running out of gloves ffs yet are required to treat people!!

I suspect he has the best doctors available to him, (as London seems to be the hub for professors etc) and 1-1 care which the people at our hospital are not getting, at the covid ward they have 1 nurse to 5 patients...one doctor for 4 wards...

Yes hand washing is important, and I’m over 100% sure all nurses do it, but without other ppe the virus can still be spread 🤷‍♀️

Boris did not but act quick enough but then the nhs has been under supported for years by the tories so then now trying to save the nhs now is bloody hypocritical.

I really don’t get the love for him.

junipersjuice · 09/04/2020 12:38

Also - are you saying that HCPs look after 'ordinary' patients less well? Pretty horrendous thing to say really and a slur on them when they are flat out saving people's lives.

I expect he is getting the best treatment. The HCPs will treat all patients equally but if they are told by the government to do something specific like move a patient to ICU when maybe it isn't yet warranted they are going to have to do it aren't they?

pigsDOfly · 09/04/2020 12:51

I'm getting awfully fed up with people saying things like 'he'll be getting the best treatment'.

Do they honestly think that there are levels of treatment and Mr Jones from down the road will just be chucked into a corner to die.

If someone is in ICU they'll be given the same levels of care as Boris Johnson and everyone else in there and the treatment will depend of their needs.

It's very likely that if the NHS becomes completely overwhelmed and some people cannot have assess to ventilators there will be decisions to be made regarding who is more likely to survive invasive treatment. We already have DNR for some patients under normal circumstances so that's nothing new and makes perfect sense.

To imply that the medical staff will be somehow doing more for BJ than they would anyone else is ridiculous and pretty insulting to them.

pigsDOfly · 09/04/2020 12:53

*Oops, spelling mistakes all over that.

1forsorrow · 09/04/2020 12:53

On one news programme on Tuesday, I think it might have been Sky, they said there was a ventilator reserved for him. Can we all have one reserved for us? Thought not.

koshkatt · 09/04/2020 13:53

Ahh so my family’s lives who are treating corona virus without ppe is ok then

Sorry but I cannot see where anyone has said that.