Boris moved to ICU

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www.itv.com/news/2020-04-06/prime-minister-boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-after-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus/

Fair enough, I cannot speak for the Nightingale but in ordinary ICU's 1 to 1 is standard. Anything less is unsafe and 1 to 6 is criminal.

1:6 is very frightening if true.

Are army medics trained up to ICU standard?

I think army medics will be excellent in this type pf environment/ care setting. At the moment midwives and MH nurses are being trained to ITU standard.

1 to 1 is standard. Anything less is unsafe and 1 to 6 is criminal

Agreed. At my trust 1:2 in ITU and 1:4 HDU has been happening a lot. Acute respiratory had shocking ratios even before all this, often 1: 12 and more. Mistakes will happen, it's inevitable.

Thank you to posters who replied re army ICU medics. I suppose they'll be working under a fully trained hospital ICU nurse after a spell of training.

Surely saying you wish someone well is normal?

It is normal...what not normal is to mention beforehand that you wish him well despite not voting tory.

It's like if i had a friend who said they had a relative in icu...I'd wish them well...I wouldn't say oh I never really liked them but I wish them well.

Personally I think it’s disgusting that you’re exploiting the serious health crisis of a man with young children and a pregnant partner as a way to score political points. Shameful

Ridiculous..I'm really not. If you'd read my post properly you'd have seen I have no political allegiance. I have no points to score.

Army medics will have excellent handling skills and knowledge about the care of acutely ill people. The differences in equipment and approach are something that can be easily taught.

Army medics are trained the same as ordinary medics! Our local hospital has the forces training centre as well as being a teaching hospital for non-forces HCPs, and I have been in and cared for by military personnel, just as well as non-military.

If I had a pound for every time I’d come across someone claiming not to be right wing in order to try to prove that they are unbiased before ranting about how awful and evil and aggressive left wingers are, I could re-fund the NHS single handed.

bornlazy on other thread in 'Coronavirus' has given a clarification on what the 1:6 means. Don't know if it is true, but thought I'd add it.

The 1:6 ratio doesn’t mean 1 nurse for every 6 patients it means 1 ICU experienced trained nurse overseeing 6 other nurses who have been given basic training on looking after ICU patients. You can also be in ITU on non invasive ventilation - all those people you saw in Italy with their heads in plastic bubbles were on non invasive ventilation alongside intubated patients.

If I had a pound for every time I’d come across someone claiming not to be right wing in order to try to prove that they are unbiased before ranting about how awful and evil and aggressive left wingers are

I'm not right wing. I float around the centre mainly. I dislike extreme politics on both sides but from my perspective I find the extreme left far more hypocritical as their ideologies on the surface seem so caring and kind yet their behaviour as individuals is often the complete opposite.

I'm not right wing. I float around the centre mainly. I dislike extreme politics on both sides but from my perspective I find the extreme left far more hypocritical as their ideologies on the surface seem so caring and kind yet their behaviour as individuals is often the complete opposite

I could not agree more with this. It is exactly how I feel.

But when you make arguments that appear to be pushing a strong anti-left agenda (and threadjack and exploit a seriously ill person in order to do so), you can hardly blame people for not taking your word that you are genuinely politically neutral and just playing devil’s advocate because you, in your neutrality, just happened to notice how awful liberals are and felt so deeply moved by said awfulness you need to shoehorn in “aren’t liberals terrible” where ever possible, and that it’s just an amazing coincidence that you’re parroting right wing terminology and talking points despite definitely definitely being neutral.

If it looks like a duck...

It is normal...what not normal is to mention beforehand that you wish him well despite not voting tory

But who are any of us to say what is 'normal' in situations like this? I don't get the fury vented at people just for saying 'I'm no Tory' etc. I bet if someone posted a 'this is so awful, the poor man' post but had a long posting history criticising him/ his party/ politics there'd be some who'd call them hypocritical.

Actually I’d argue that is very normal when it comes to politics. Whenever any politician (regardless of affiliation) has died in the past there have always been floods of comments saying, “I didn’t vote X but he was a good man RIP.”

Comparing a politician who by definition we’re supposed to have an political opinion about, with not slagging the personality of a friend’s relative, is a false analogy.

Was your post aimed at me Swerf because I have never posted a thing about 'liberals'! And where is the 'right wing terminology'?

I suppose they'll be working under a fully trained hospital ICU nurse after a spell of training

AFAIK, a lot (the majority?) already work within the NHS. But they are highly trained and highly regarded anyway, and combat training could also give people the edge in a pandemic situation, it's very similar to a war in many ways.

That said, I'm sure people will do their best but intensivists usually undergo intense, long term additional training to become proficient in advanced and ITU care - many will also have years of experience in the role. It simply won't be possible to train all the staff needed to that sort of level within a short space of time, or for the experienced ones to supervise all the newly trained staff sufficiently.

Was your post aimed at me Swerf because I have never posted a thing about 'liberals'! And where is the 'right wing terminology'?

No idea if it was aimed at me either

I also haven't uttered the word "liberals" on here or used any right wing terminology.

is normal...what not normal is to mention beforehand that you wish him well despite not voting tory.

Says who? I hate everything him and his awful party stand for. I'm in Scotland and vote SNP. But I still wouldn't wish ill will on him. Perfectly normal thing to say. I've seen some horrible posts wishing him dead, now that's not normal.

I was using “liberal” and “left wing” interchangeably.

It’s pretty pedantic to shoehorn in a completely out of nowhere rant about how terrible and awful left wingers are then pull the faux-naive “ohhhh but I never said the word liberals!”

It’s shameful to exploit a critically ill man to pursue such a nasty political agenda.

Ranting and throwing nasty names and insults really isn’t helping your case.

Your threadjack about how unpleasant left-wingers are implying we wish people harm was shameful.

Left wing and liberal are not interchangeable terms Swerf.

And you still have not stated where all of this 'right wing terminology' is...

There's been an update - Boris is now "sitting up in bed" and conversing with the doctors and nurses. Which shows that he must have been in a very bad way, even if he did remain unventilated. But hopefully on the way to recovery now.

Not conversing with doctors, "engaging" with them. Rather different – but still positive news.