Shielded Groups should stay home and we should all get back out there?

[moreginplease81]

Aibu to think shielded groups should stay home and we should all just get back out there and carry on?

The economy is going to be on its knees!

If you can work, you should be allowed to.

Please, I beg of you, come and visit my hospital and you can see what covid is doing. This thread is the most middle class bubble of "we had it , we're fine and therefore I couldn't possibly manage to see past the end of my own nose to consider others" - you may describe your symptoms as horrendous but you didn't end up on a ventilator did you? People are dying. Previously fit, healthy people are sat on our wards, hundreds of them. It's not flu. It's nothing like flu season, this is a whole different thing.

The isolation is not for herd immunity. We will have to get herd immunity in time. The isolation is to flatten the curve of those that need healthcare at the same time so the people that need ventilators GET ventilators. Those that need an ambulance GET an ambulance. So saying that we may as well all hop about as normal (temperature checking before entering a restaurant- have you lived under a rock for the last month, it's up to a 14 DAY isolation period before people show symptoms) is insulting to the hard work going on within the NHS right now.

Apologies if I sound a bit touchy but having worked 60 hours this last week with nothing but a flimsy apron (bin bags are thicker) and a thin surgical mask (we ran out of PPE) I have absolute no time for ignorant people giving their opinion about a situation they evidently know nothing about. Antibody testing is not an option right now and will create a two tier society anyway so I'm totally against that being available until we know more about covid and the tests.

And I hope no one in your family needs help from the NHS anytime soon because I've seen life saving cancer operations cancelled, children nearly die from straightforward illnesses as their parents were too worried to bring them in and elderly pick up covid in hospital and die when they were previously well. It's a living nightmare.

Stay home, shut up and be damn grateful you aren't putting your family members' lives on the line everyday like I am. I'd kill to have had a mild form already and just be able to sit at home all day lamenting the state of the economy.

Well said dragon.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay I'm sceptical of any study that compares the economic effects of a pandemic that disproportionately targets young healthy men (Spanish Flu) vs one that disproportionately targets the elderly and chronically ill (Covid19).

Aren't you?

Journo post.

@moreginplease Are you really that much of an idiot.

A lack of exit strategy really is an issue though because the only clear thing is that lockdown should remain until the curve falls and numbers drop and this breakout is suppressed. No one should argue with that and realistically that should happen May/June time
But beyond that it’s clear that lockdown cannot remain indefinitely and we cannot hold out for a vaccine or it disappearing completely so we are going to have to figure out a way of getting life back to normal as possibly (as China has) and that will include I think a little living with this
But there are things we could be doing testing needs to increase as does antibody testing, figuring out use of taking temperatures, having people stay at home for 7 days when ill and potentially using contact tracing apps for positive tests

Beyond that though surely it needs to be personal choice

Do you really need to ask this? REALLY???

Good post dragon icicle well said

I'm sceptical of any study that compares the economic effects of a pandemic that disproportionately targets young healthy men (Spanish Flu) vs one that disproportionately targets the elderly and chronically ill (Covid19).

Aren't you?

Yes, and I should have put that warning in my post. But think about what the OP is suggesting here. It’s going to stop having an impact on just the elderly very quickly. The R0 of this thing unchecked is big. There’s no healthcare system on this planet that could cope with it. We’re going to stop talking about a disease that largely affects the elderly and chronically ill pretty bloody quickly.

And that’ s before you consider the rise in all cause mortality that will happen because we’ve run out of HCPs, ventilators and oxygen.

You know the virus isn't going anywhere in a few weeks time and there is no exit strategy that doesn't involve almost everyone just getting back out there and getting on with things in a few weeks/ a month's time. You'll just be given a cheery new slogan to make you feel like a hero for going out to work. Plus perhaps an app to input your symptoms in to. It might have cool, exciting graphics to make you feel safe too.

Getting angry doesn't change reality. This virus has gone global. There isn't a vaccine. There won't be one mass produced for a long time. The economy won't last that long. A quarter of people are symptomless. They are going to work that out sooner or later, no matter how many scary dail fail stories there are (young people don't tend to read the papers anyway). Lockdown isn't sustainable and doesn't eradicate the virus as it is too late for that (which is why it isn't the point of the lockdown)

Test bank, stop being an ignorant idiot. An exit strategy?! For god sake, the government have more important things to think about right now, and we’ve not even peaked in terms of deaths. Yes we won’t get a vaccine for some time, but medical specialists are working day and night to find pre-existing drugs that can lessen or eradicate the symptoms and there are already a few that have had incredible results in testing. I see my colleagues risking their own lives to find drugs that might help, for idiots like you who think it’s all pointless and we should just let people die because money matters so much more.

I wouldn’t refer to testbank as an arrogant idiot at all. She makes some interesting points... as do you AngelsSins
It’s good to get a balanced view on this.

@AngelsSins take it you one of those who enjoys sitting on the couch, collecting benefit?

There’s no good points in that post, it comes from someone who has made up their own mind about how things will unroll based on nothing but imagination whilst being completely ignorant of the lengths people are going to to try and save lives. The lack of gratitude and respect makes me furious. Maybe all those medical professionals should take the same attitude and think “well fuck this, forget trying to save lives, let’s go to the beach instead....”

What exactly do you propose? @AngelsSins

Err no, I’m working my fucking arse off actually, rather than sitting round the house thinking “Ohh poor me, me, me”

@testbank completely agree. Lockdown is just a way to make us stay at home whilst they figure out what they should do.

And re social distancing, I totally agree we should social distance.

The cure can not be worse. If you're worried, you should stay at home!

@AngelsSins hmmm... sounds like you don't have much to lose financially and let me guess, you're excited that the housing market will 're-set'.

Are you in the UK @moreginplease81? If so, how come you and your family got tested?

I know a lot of people who've been ill, but not one of us has been tested.

If you're worried, you should stay at home!

Well there go all the HCPs then.

I have had it thanks. My daughter was tested and confirmed. My husband and I weren't tested but as we had the horrendous symptoms and my daughter was confirmed, I can assume we've had it

In glad you all got through it ok, would you be just as keen for everyone to go out if your dh or dd had severe symptoms and needed hospital care which wasn't available as the NHS was overwhelmed?

Oh please.

I'm off for one of my three walks a day.

Bye.

@dragonicicle

That was a good post, however, rather than get angry at posters on here, how about save it for the Govt who ignored the recommendations of Operation Cygnus (in 2016) didn't order the PPE and right now are not testing NHS workers in significant numbers because they didn't tell the very large Pharma industry in the UK to start making test kits in January as the German govt told Roche to do?

As for "worrying about the economy" without a functioning economy, there will be no NHS.

Last week I contracted corona virus (tested positive) ended up in hospital on oxygen. No underlying health conditions and considered young and healthy. Not a massive deal for me personally and I'm recovering well now. Massive deal for the nhs if infection rates rise and they can't cope meaning those who need oxygen go without and otherwise healthy people die