Shielded Groups should stay home and we should all get back out there?

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Aibu to think shielded groups should stay home and we should all just get back out there and carry on?

The economy is going to be on its knees!

If you can work, you should be allowed to.

I’ve heard it all this week. My mum is recovering from cancer and is genuinely vulnerable and we are all worried about her but several different people have told me they are in the vulnerable group and unable to leave the house due to anaemia, a chest injection last year, low immune system caused by depression. It feels very self selecting and it grates a bit. Some of people genuinely stand no chance if we were to catch it and others have no choice but to keep going out. We are all scared.

www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/104309/coronavirus-belgium-will-end-lockdown-in-phases/

Belgium starts the grownup thinking

Yes, very grown up. You know how it's going to end, and it's not with a miracle vaccine being discovered. But keep putting your fingers in your ears and singing

So far babies to those over 100 have died. This virus is a clever fucker who respects no one. I’m glad your family all pulled through. Some famines are burying not one, not two, not three but four or more members. Imagine losing that many members in your family. But imagine if everyone went back to work, then lost several family members? One is bad enough, but more? But what would be worse would be knowing that the may have survived if a lockdown had continued. I for one would like to live, along with my children and those I love and care for.

The economy will pick up and survive, individuals may not. You can’t put money on a life.

So if this is all totally normal and nothing to worry about since people die from the flu anyway, what's with the NHS staff crying out that they can't cope? Begging us to stay at home so as not to make the situation worse.

Are they all in some kind of weird conspiracy or something?

Also, the NHS are already asking vulnerable patients (some as young as 19) to agree to not being taken to hospital if they fall ill. That means their families will have to cope with them dying at home, a horrible painful death without sedation or aid in breathing. Those families may well include younger siblings or children. Does anyone really believe that won't affect their mental health?

Belgium starts the grownup thinking

That’s pretty much what China have done and likely what we’ll be doing once we get to that point. I’m not sure it’s news other than Belgium are starting to think ahead about what bits they relax first even while they are still extending the lockdown.

Nhs won't be able to cope. People vote for us to run an nhs at something like 99% capacity. This is what it looks like. Care has always been rationed (yes, you can put a price on life, politicians decide how much to give the nhs and they them have to make do, care is rationed) but now it's going to get brutal. That's how you deal with unsolveable maths: 10 ventilators, 100 patients. A lot of people won't be taken to hospital at all, most likely option. If we were that bothered, we'd have done lockdown and contact tracing a lot earlier. Very few of you were demanding that a month ago. Too bad.

Yes, my point about Belgium is that the ops suggestion is one of the options on the cards. Yet some people are all 'ooooh biscuit' lalala nevergunnahappen gunnastay inlockdown fureva

Who said we’re going to stay in lockdown forever?

Admittedly the less people obey the spirit of the law the longer the lockdown will be. But in that case the government will likely tighten the lockdown criteria in order to shorten it.

But relaxing the criteria now isn’t going to happen here or in Belgium.

Seriously OP. Herd immunity is usually something we refer to in terms of people who have been vaccinated en masse. The idea that we end a lockdown and allow the disease to spread to provide this "immunity" is at best uninformed and at worst very dangerous. We havent even got a clear idea from the epidemiological data whether those that have had CV19 already become immune to it. They might still be able to catch it again. Until we have any certainty about that then what Graham Medley proposes is basically survival of the fittest and it will result in countless avoidable deaths.

Well, a lot of people think we stay in lockdown til it's gone. That's essentially the same as forever. Some think until there is a vaccine, which will just feel like forever. And others simply post biscuits because their critical thinking skills appear to have abandoned them.

Give over op
Perfectly healthy people are getting it and dying
I’m not going anywhere I don’t need to for the foreseeable

For two years? Really? What if there is still no vaccine by then? Longer? Or ...what if it mutates and next wave is worse?

We can't hide away forever!

The government should of stuck with the original advice, which was 'all those who are old or vulnerable should stay at home'. The approach of herd immunity would have allowed economy to carry on near to normal capacity. In turn, this approach would have prevented job losses and minimised the need for more government borrowing (which it can't afford). Instead, we now have people stuck furloughing until a vaccine or drug is found that can treat the virus. Suggestions say this could take up to 18 months before this comes to fruition - which is too long! The result of the response is going to cause the biggest recession in history and governments don't have the capacity to deal with it like they did in the last one, which they're still licking the wounds from. I think this is worrying.

Profits before people, brilliant.

OP you started this thread saying Aibu to think... and then proved you're not thinking with what followed.

Yes, of course YABU. Of course you are.

Stop being ridiculous.

And others simply post biscuits because their critical thinking skills appear to have abandoned them.
Indeed. It is incredibly depressing that people are unable to think beyond the latest screeching banner of DEATHS! As if death could be eradicated. We take a view on what level of funding is proportionate -and taking away people's Liberty has hitherto not been considered proportionate.
If people really cared about supporting the NHS they should be lobbying to ban everything that causes death/which is..errr...everything. Start blaming smokers, over eaters, over drinkers, motorist, cyclists, runners, pedestrians who trip and break their ankles ad infinitum.
And, by the way, the NHS exists as a service that we pay taxes for, to us, not a totem that we should be worshipping.In other countries the Health Service is precisely that, here it has become some kind of religion.
We are being forced to stay indoors 'to protect the NHS' which really is the tail wagging the dog.
We should be getting back to normal to protect people's mental health and never let this ridiculous state of general 'lockdown' happen again.

Sorry, forgot to say OP - YANBU!

The approach of herd immunity would have allowed economy to carry on near to normal capacity

You are making the mistake of thinking that allowing everyone to get it protects the economy. It’s not really that simple.

amp.wbur.org/bostonomix/2020/04/01/social-distancing-economic-impact-covid-19-coronavirus-spanish-flu

And the U.K. isn’t operating in a bubble. It’s not going to be protected from a global recession just because it’s decided on a different policy.

Also, the NHS are already asking vulnerable patients (some as young as 19) to agree to not being taken to hospital if they fall ill. That means their families will have to cope with them dying at home, a horrible painful death without sedation or aid in breathing

You have a link for this?
What do you think happens, in more normal times, up and down the country in care homes and community hospitals to the frail when they die? They are treated by a GP... just as my mum was, morphine for pain and other sedatives to calm them, no rushing them to an iCU bed to prolong life for another 2 months.
Look at the British Lung foundations figures on Pneumonia, which is what many CV patients die from, 29k deaths p.a, in 2012 - 58 were children, 1300 middle aged, 27k over 64.

Many of those on furlough wont have the 20% made up IF they keep their jobs and losing your job, can't pay bills, put food on the table, having the house repossessed isn't great for your mental health either!!

As for "the economy will recover" well, we are leaving the EU in January, that alone was going to hit us, there will be no FTA's etc to make up this lost trade, so we will be hit even harder than many european counties.

Sweden still sticking with our original plan. Their leading scientist points out the blindingly obvious (of course, not obvious to the shrieking masses who parrot whatever they are told that day): early lockdown is one thing, late lockdown is another. Hands up here who thinks we had an early lockdown?

Enjoy your next few weeks of staying home as heroes because the next message coming your way is going to be 'go to work. Save lives'