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AIBU? Circumcision?

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Poppygirl96 · 03/04/2020 19:18

Me and my ex have recently split up and we have a 5 month old son. He told me when I was pregnant that he wanted to get our son circumcised due to his religion and that it was really important to him. I was heavily pregnant tired and not really thinking much about it so I blindly agreed. However I have been thinking about it a lot and really don’t want our son to get unnecessarily cut even if it is for religious reasons.

My ex says it’s also to keep him clean but I don’t see the point. We haven’t found anyone to do the surgery as our son was prem so we couldn’t and now there’s COVID-19 so we can’t go now. If I bring it up and go against him, I know my ex will be pissed and it will cause a huge argument especially as it’s so important to him, his mother and his religion.

I don’t want to ruin co-parenting with him and cause issues so I’m not sure what to do/say. AIBU in saying I don’t want to go ahead with it?

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Bolschcon · 26/06/2022 18:49

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OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 18:58

You obviously dont understand the full gamut of variety of FGM but in any case, removal of bits of a body for no medical reason is mutilation

No, I'm no expert on FGM, my sibling have been circumcised. I relayed how barbaric FGM is. Not sure what you take issue with tbh... I literally just said both are mutilation?

CapMarvel · 26/06/2022 18:59

Bolschcon · 26/06/2022 18:43

Just to clarify, I am talking about male circumcision. Also, can I ask all the people so opposed to this if they have the same attitude towards cosmetic surgery like breast enhancements for example or people that choose to change gender. Are they also mutilating themselves?

The point being, of course, is that people getting breast enhancements are consenting to the procedure

Circumcision of infants is never done with the concept of the baby.

CapMarvel · 26/06/2022 19:01

OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 17:43

It may be mutilation but it's not on the same level. Circumcising is common where I'm from but most of those people would never do FGM. The level of brutality just isn't equal, FGM is particularly sadistic whereas most boys have zero recollection (esp. if medically anaesthetised) and some are even glad.

Nobody is glad to have FGM performed. Many die, they're are pinned down by an older woman and butchered. So both are wrong, to me, but not to the same extent.

Morally it's exactly the same - completely unnecessarily mutilation and harm being performed without the consent of the person involved.

It's utterly unacceptable.

OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 19:06

They are both wrong, not on the same level, they're just not. It's an injustice to put male circumcising on the same level. FGM is unimaginably traumatic every single time, male circumcision is very common in Christian and Muslim households even in the UK. I don't agree with it and would never do it, I've been in the next room when it was conducted, it's not the same level of brutality, it's not done with the same motivations. I've said my piece, now.

FemmeNatal · 26/06/2022 19:09

OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 19:06

They are both wrong, not on the same level, they're just not. It's an injustice to put male circumcising on the same level. FGM is unimaginably traumatic every single time, male circumcision is very common in Christian and Muslim households even in the UK. I don't agree with it and would never do it, I've been in the next room when it was conducted, it's not the same level of brutality, it's not done with the same motivations. I've said my piece, now.

The “minor” end of FGM is far less severe than male circumcision.

Being in the next room and not stopping it is you facilitating child abuse. No different to sitting there while the child was abused in any other way.

OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 19:11

Oh please do one I was in secondary school. And it's not illegal, it was a rabbi - what do I do? You're Kurd picking fights at this point, bye.

FrippEnos · 26/06/2022 19:11

Bolschcon · 26/06/2022 18:34

How can any sane and rational person say it is mutilation, rather I think it’s a case of bigotry and hatred toward other cultures and religion. Circumcision is proven to have many benefits for both men and women reducing the chance of contracting std’s and reducing the risk of cervical cancer. It looks better, it feels better, it’s cleaner, and honest women will tell you how much the prefer it. If you don’t want to do it for religious reasons then do it for the scientific ones and the fact woman find it more desirable. In some cases men need to be circumcised for medical purposes for things that could have been prevented had it been done when they were babies.

Instead of posting inaccuracies that have been disproven or have been proved to have very little in the way of medical advantages/benefits. Saying that women prefer it should not enter the equation.

If you are so sure of your argument why don't you leave it and let the boy/man choose with no coercion? Is it because you know that they will say no?

FemmeNatal · 26/06/2022 19:12

OvertPrude · 26/06/2022 19:11

Oh please do one I was in secondary school. And it's not illegal, it was a rabbi - what do I do? You're Kurd picking fights at this point, bye.

Weird bit of racism there. Basque, not Kurd though. You really are quite something.

oakleaffy · 26/06/2022 19:13

@Poppygirl96
Circumcision unless for phimosis seems a bit drastic, but I do know two adult men who had a circumcision , one from a zip tear, and the other for cosmetic reasons.
I'd let your son choose for himself, it's perfectly possible for a male to keep himself ''Clean'' if that's what your husband is worried about.

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IncompleteSenten · 26/06/2022 19:14

It absolutely is mutilation.

It is a non medically necessary removal of a body part performed on someone without their consent.

oakleaffy · 26/06/2022 19:16

ZOMBIE ALERT
Why the heck do people resurrect ZOMBIE THREADS?

AmaryIlis · 26/06/2022 19:19

Bolschcon · 26/06/2022 18:34

How can any sane and rational person say it is mutilation, rather I think it’s a case of bigotry and hatred toward other cultures and religion. Circumcision is proven to have many benefits for both men and women reducing the chance of contracting std’s and reducing the risk of cervical cancer. It looks better, it feels better, it’s cleaner, and honest women will tell you how much the prefer it. If you don’t want to do it for religious reasons then do it for the scientific ones and the fact woman find it more desirable. In some cases men need to be circumcised for medical purposes for things that could have been prevented had it been done when they were babies.

Sane and rational people say it is mutilation because on any sensible definition of that term it clearly is. How can unnecessarily cutting a body part off a baby be anything else?

With normal hygiene the chances of contracting STDs or cervical cancer are no different, ditto in terms of cleanliness. It certainly doesn't look any better because it's abnormal, and women don't find it more desirable. It causes loss of sensitivity so doesn't "feel better". Circumcision carries its own risks, not least serious bleeding, infection, and sepsis.

IncompleteSenten · 26/06/2022 19:19

Bolschcon · 26/06/2022 18:43

Just to clarify, I am talking about male circumcision. Also, can I ask all the people so opposed to this if they have the same attitude towards cosmetic surgery like breast enhancements for example or people that choose to change gender. Are they also mutilating themselves?

Is a parent paying a doctor to give their infant breast implants or something?

What is wrong with you that you are unable to comprehend the difference between an adult choosing to modify their own body and an infant having their body part removed to suit the parent when they, the person whose body it is, are incapable of consent?

It's really not that hard to understand the difference.

Sparklingbrook · 26/06/2022 19:20

oakleaffy · 26/06/2022 19:16

ZOMBIE ALERT
Why the heck do people resurrect ZOMBIE THREADS?

To wind everyone up generally. Works a treat.

FrippEnos · 26/06/2022 19:25

oakleaffy · 26/06/2022 19:16

ZOMBIE ALERT
Why the heck do people resurrect ZOMBIE THREADS?

They are necromancers?

:)

MadKittenWoman · 26/06/2022 19:27

Zombie. And yes, it's mutilation.

magicofthefae · 26/06/2022 19:34

pleasepleasepleasehelp · 03/04/2020 19:33

SIGH. Circumcision on males is NOT the same as FGM on females. Why do people always say this on these threads? confused

They are 2 completely different procedures!

@Poppygirl96 You should not have posted on here about this. You will not get rational and sensible responses at all.

Circumcising is genital mutilation, nature put it there for a reason, removal of it without a valid medical reason from a qualified doctor, or lack of consent from a fully informed adult (18+) is abuse....your poor baby can't consent and doesn't need it medically. Let your child decide if he wants to be circumcised when he reaches 18. Tell your ex and his mother to jog on, say your son may do it when he's 18 and can decide for himself, and if they try to do it on one of their visitations, you'll inform the police.

SleepingStandingUp · 26/06/2022 19:56

If you don’t want to do it for religious reasons then do it for the scientific ones and the fact woman find it more desirable
You want me to get my sons circumcised because some woman they may meet as adults prefer it? Mom why was I circumcised as a baby? For a woman's sexual pleasure sweetheart. You don't think that's a bit.... weird??

bellac11 · 26/06/2022 19:58

I didnt realise this was an old thread, however must just answer that last point, I dont find it more attractive, not sure why its even cited as a reason anyway, would women tolerate someone saying that bits of them have to be removed because men find it more attractive?

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Nobody - fathers, mothers, idiotic religious types has the right to perform what is a completely unnnecessary procedure on a child who doesn't even understand what is going on much less is able to consent to it.

It's pretty simple to understand. If a man chooses to be circumcised then that is up to him, otherwise jog the fuck on.

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