In hoping this is the end of cruises?

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Carnival Cruises are in the shit following the Pandemic. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout?CMP=ShareAndroidAppp_Facebook

AIBU in hoping this is the end of these disgusting floating effluent and
emission producing shit heaps that sully our global waters?

ice skating shows on board
Jesus it just gets worse.
One thing to board a hulky great monstrosity ploughing and polluting its way through a marine reserve to see the views but why do you need to have an ice rink on it.

Not really. We no longer have the time to spend negotiating with overgrown toddlers who want their sweeties

No one but a few noisy radicals actually want to cut back on foreign travel. I plan on a few long-haul trips on things quiet down. In terms of emissions it is a drop in the bucket anyway

MangoFever, as I mentioned before, research has shown that cruise ships are a very significant part of the pollution problem of my city (which is among the worst in the country).

And while your individual long haul flight may be a drop in the bucket, it's drops that eventually fill the bucket.

The exact calculations would be very complicated of course. But travel by sea is bound to by far, far cheaper in terms of energy than travel by air.

I remember I did read a story about the bad behavior of cruise ship companies. Ecuador wanted to restrict visitor numbers to the Galapagos Islands. Some cruise ships ignored these restrictions and just visited the islands regardless.

"don't worry, we'll keep Cunard in business for a long time yet"

You should be made to pay for sufficient insurance to cover all the costs you bring to port during the next pandemic
All the medicial treatment and the quarantines

If the insurance companies would even offer such policies, the premiums could be swingeing.

Part of the problem is that cruise ships use really dirty fuel. They also tend to keep the engine running all the time they are docked because that's where the ship's electricity supply comes from. So all those diesel emissions go straight out into the areas surrounding the docks- which in the case of my own city is close to residential areas (typically inhabited by the poorer demographic).

Watchdogs have also shown that a very high proportion of cruise ships ignore restrictions about dumping at sea.

the pollution problem of my city (which is among the worst in the country)

It sounds like you are talking about environmental degradation and general pollution, not carbon emissions. Separate issues, and something your local government needs to deal with.

but why do you need to have an ice rink on it.

I'm guessing - like a lot of the other shows that people could see on dry land - because being in an apartment block in the middle of the sea is otherwise incredibly boring.

I detest the look of them, huge ugly monstrosities, and how they disgorge thousands of people into a beautiful place for them to take a selfie and then piss off. I don’t understand why anyone would go on a cruise to just tick off one sight after another. It really isn’t seeing the world.

So all those diesel emissions go straight out into the areas surrounding the docks

Modern ships have filters etc to trap particles etc and also more energy efficient.

But yes, the older ships, like older cars, buses, lorries and trains, will be emitting high levels of pollution until they're all at end of life and scrapped.

but why do you need to have an ice rink on it.

The same reason there are lots of ice rinks on land. It's entertainment!

Carnival are moving towards greener energy. Like everything else it takes time though

www.shell.com/inside-energy/cruising-into-a-cleaner-future.html

You should be made to pay for sufficient insurance to cover all the costs you bring to port during the next pandemic. All the medical treatment and the quarantines

Errr, anyone who bought decent insurance before the pandemic is covered for medical care and delay in getting home - and the since ports will have already made a fortune out of the cruise lines I'd hope they've made their own arrangements

Several boats sitting off the coast of Australia hoping to be let in to dock there. Why aren’t they heading for their home ports

I expect this is the "repositioning" thing. Lines work on having chosen ships in one area for the season, so were perhaps hoping to continue cruising there much sooner than it's turning out

Loving the thing about the ice rinks, though. Not having been on an RCI ship I wouldn't know, but do they close them if the sea's rough, or leave guests to find themselves skating a bit faster than they expected?

Some ships are trying to repatriate guests to home ports or just dock so they can catch flights. I had no idea there were almost 9000 people on board the biggest ships - no wonder they are cesspits for illness bleurgh

www.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ships-still-sailing/index.html

From Royal Caribbean's website, make of it what you will

www.rclcorporate.com/environment/

I agree about ice rinks on ships and prefer the smaller ones anyway and by small I mean fewer than 1000.

A number of people have commented that going on a cruise is preferable to flying to a destination. Is there anybody know what proportion of cruises taken by UK residents start in the UK and how many are flown to. I've no idea but my parents loved cruises and must have been on about 30 and it was probably only the last 3 or 4 that started in the UK and that was because dad can't cope with flying anymore.

Is there anybody know what proportion of cruises taken by UK residents start in the UK and how many are flown to

Surely depends on where they want their cruises to tour. If you want the Med or Northern Europe etc., then plenty will leave from UK ports. But if you want a cruise around the Middle East or The Caribbean or Australia, then most people will fly to get there.

A number of people have commented that going on a cruise is preferable to flying to a destination.

We visited six places on a Baltic Cruise. That must be better than 6 separate flights to those places. (Well we wouldn't have done all six by air as short breaks, but would have done 4 or 5 of them). Using a cruise was an ideal way to see those places. We'd never done a cruise before and probably wouldn't do another, but to visit those places, the cruise made complete sense.

Most ships burn heavy fuel oil and/or gas oil. Gas oil is similar to diesel. Ships are getting more efficient. I would suggest that we should make global shipping greener rather than ban cruises, there are more container ships in the world than cruise ships!

Most people who do the no fly cruises are older or disabled people who are really not up to flying.

Most people who do the no fly cruises are older or disabled people who are really not up to flying.

This is really not the case. If you're going on a Med or Northern Europe cruise it's far less hassle to sail from the UK without flying There are no luggage restrictions for one thing.

Most people who do the no fly cruises are older or disabled people who are really not up to flying.

No, they're really not. We went on a Northern Europe cruise because we couldn't face the hell that is known as Manchester Airport. We're not older nor disabled. For us, it was a lot quicker and simpler to walk straight on a cruise boat at a UK port rather than suffer hell hole airports. Loads of young/middle aged and families on our cruise.

Ships are getting more efficient. I would suggest that we should make global shipping greener rather than ban cruises, there are more container ships in the world than cruise ships!

I fully agree. Luckily most of the more modern ships are built with environmental factors in mind. As time passes, the older "dirty" ones will get scrapped. Same with railways - we have dirty diesels that spend the entire journey under electric wires - they should have been replaced by electric units years ago, but still trundling up/down the west coast main line, polluting as they go. Should we ban trains too, because many of those are still diesel and heavily polluting?

Or is it just that objectors have an irrational hatred of cruises and the people they perceive to use them rather than base their opinions on actual fact?

kazzyhoward it's a question of the totality of trips. Not all European cruises will start from the UK, most of the ones by parents did started in the Med. It's no good justifying cruises on the basis that it avoids flying if 95% are reached via flying but it is if 95% aren't. I know that less than 10% of the cruises my parents went on started in the UK but have no idea if that is representative of the industry as a whole or not.

I think you have to remember that Brits tend to fly more because we're an Island. At one of the ports we stopped at in Northern Germany, loads of the people joining the ship had driven up from all over mainland Europe including a few coaches from Spain, France and Italy. Same in America, loads of Americans take the highway down to Florida and Miami to join cruise ships there.

But whatever, loads of Brits fly to beach resorts for "sun" holidays and cities for stag/hen parties - probably many times more pollution due to sheer numbers. Why couldn't they have their stag/hen parties in the UK and get Eurostar to Europe for the sun? It's the same thing - yu can't whinge about one form of polluting travel but not all the others.