In hoping this is the end of cruises?

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Carnival Cruises are in the shit following the Pandemic. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/31/carnival-cruises-seeks-6bn-funding-amid-coronavirus-fallout?CMP=ShareAndroidAppp_Facebook

AIBU in hoping this is the end of these disgusting floating effluent and
emission producing shit heaps that sully our global waters?

Oooh goodness, have done a cruise once a year for past 10 years. They are amazing, have one due in July which I guess will be cancelled

(Hurtigruten) boats also act as ferries for local people, goods etc so stop off frequently, even during the night, to small communities, so I suppose they do serve a social purpose as well as a tourist one , though not sure that justifies their existence

I think you might have that slightly the wrong way round, viques. Because Hurtigruten are an vital resource to the community, the crusing element is used to subsidise their operation and keep transportation costs down for the locals, rather than the locals existing for it IYSWIM

That's absolutely fair enough of course, and granted they're very different to the major cruise lines, but far from needing to justify the ships' existence I'm pretty sure Norway's coastal people would be devastated if they went

100% agree! YANBU.

Living in such close confinement with lots of other people would be very off-putting for me. But each to their own. On an environmental basis I'd like them to go, just as I would much of the flying around the world. It's sad because humans love to experience new places but I can't see how it can last if we're to have a cleaner planet which we haven't destroyed completely. Travel of all kinds has to be reduced.

Investment should go into cleaner technologies than can transport humans around the planet without belching out masses of pollution.

It's either that or ensuring we cull our own numbers somehow - and no one wants to talk about that.

Carnival planning to try and sell $6 billion of bonds shortly. I'm not sure there'll be an appetite for that. Let's see. If they can't get them sold, then the industry is dead.

www.transportenvironment.org/press/luxury-cruise-giant-emits-10-times-more-air-pollution-sox-all-europe%E2%80%99s-cars-%E2%80%93-study

Summary: Carnival, the world’s largest luxury cruise operator, emitted nearly 10 times more sulphur oxide (SOX) around European coasts than did all 260 million European cars in 2017.

Sadly these cruise ships help economies. We visited family in Bermuda once. To see thousands of passengers disembark and wander around the island for the day was astonishing. The cruise ships provided segways for those who could not walk.

On the other hand Bermuda like other small destinations do not have the capacity to handle a coronavirus themselves.

It is difficult weighing it up. Do islanders stay healthy but live in poverty?

When you got there it was glorious. Stunning scenery, pristine silence. Kiwis if you were lucky. Dolphins if you had brought a kayak or went for a swim. Now there are hotels, car parks, visitor centres, cafes, half hourly boats so people who have been shipped in in double deckers can throw things at seals. There's bottles floating in the water. Seagulls are now after the trash and rats have killed the Kiwis.

If that's what it's like then you are going to the wrong places in NZ. There are plenty of places where it is not like that (and no, I'm not saying where!). It's not been my experience of the sound though.

Another one - the cruise ship is really very very dirty.

"Standing on deck is like being in one of the most polluted cities in the world"

www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/04/26/cruise-
ship-pollution-is-causing-serious-health-and-environmental-problems/#6d0e27337db3

Time for it to go and be replaced by something greener.

Those who can’t fly can get ferries or trains across a lot of the world (not all). I don’t think that is a sufficiently good reason to justify mega ships. Smaller and therefore more expensive cruises by sail or electric ship maybe but not mass market. Not trashing this planet’s life support system for all species is far more important than seeing the world, sorry!

I really hope it reduces the cruise industry, although do feel for those who would lose jobs - cruises are terrible for the environment and often for the people who live and work in cities that ships stop at.

They’re awful for the environment. Cruise liners emit about double the Co2 per mile than long haul flights. They are also damaging in terms of how they deposit waste.

They’re also not generally good for the places they stop at - look at all the local opposition to cruise ships in places like Venice, Barcelona etc. Smallish cruise ships dock where I live and it’s a nightmare, we have a lot of tourists anyway but at least they stay/spend locally and are generally in smallish groups rather than massive groups of people, wandering around but not actually contributing the the local economy.

I saw a recent statistic that for some of the Caribbean islands’, tourists from cruise ships are about 75% of the overall visitors but only account for about 10% of spending.

If you can’t fly, there are other options from the UK, like using our train links to the continent.

Larger newer ones are build under very strident environmental rules and using latest technologies that makes them much less polluting. It's the older smaller ones that are more of a problem

Sssshhh. You wouldn't want to let hard facts get in the way of prejudice and jealousy now, would you???

I watched a documentary about the design and build of one of the modern breed of mega cruise ships. Virtually everything is done during the design process to minimise environmental impact. The days of belching toxin ridden black smoke and discharging untreated effluent into the sea are long gone.

Yabu!! It's an industry that provides a whole host of jobs OP
Deck officers
AB's
Welders
Maintenance technicians
Marine engineers
Chefs/Cooks
Waiters
Cleaners
Entertainers
Massage and beauty therapists
Life guards
Dance instructors

To name but a few...

So what? many environmentally damaging sectors can provide jobs, doesn't mean we have to have them or shall we open up the coal mining industry again?

Anyway, after this is all over (assuming it ever truly is) Cruises will be forever associated with disease, death and being trapped with nowhere to go.

^Yabu!! It's an industry that provides a whole host of jobs OP
Deck officers
AB's
Welders
Maintenance technicians
Marine engineers
Chefs/Cooks
Waiters
Cleaners
Entertainers
Massage and beauty therapists
Life guards
Dance instructors

To name but a few...^

So much more important than.....

Turtles
Fish
Octopuses
Whales
Coral
Crabs
Molluscs
Dophins
Sting-Rays
Tuna
All sea life....

We always seem to think that our own need to reproduce and our own need for economic benefit can justify the complete destruction of the planet.

When is everyone going to take some responsibility and see that we can't keep on having millions of babies every year and we can't keep on just doing whatever we please on this planet.

Once we will kill it off completely, we'll just be doing the same to ourselves.

Why does no one see this?

They say the coronavirus is in part, because we have lost biodiversity to such a degree that we are swarming the planet so badly as a species that this sort of thing will become more and more common.

Environment THEN economics.

Ding dong, this is God speaking. Due to climate change, the only available holidays henceforth will be Skegness, Blackpool, and for the fortunate, Centre Parcs. Thank you .

21bettybattenburg
Is that Akaroa ?

You do know the rules though?!some of them are for instance:
No oil and waste above 15ppm
All garbage is sent to shore
All food is ground down
Raw sewage is treated and processed like on land
Exhaust emissions are stringently controlled
It is HIGHLY Regulated by MARPOL

AND also you do know that cruise liners only make up for a small percentage of shipping around the world.
Bulk carriers
Oil tankers
Dredgers
Ferries
Container ships
Refrigerator cargo ships
Which altogether carries 95% of our worlds trade...

If you are going to talk about shipping please do some research!

I once enquired about a sales assistant vacancy on a cruise ship. I was told that the salary would be $500 USD per month, as minimum wage laws didn’t apply out at sea (no income tax would be payable either). I would also have to share a tiny cabin with another member of staff. I was advised to get back in touch if I was still interested.

I wasn’t.

Having since read about the environmental impact of cruise ships and how they discharge a huge amount of refuse, sewage and fuel into the ocean, I’d be quite happy to see them banned. They don’t clear up after themselves or even pay their fair share of tax, so why should everyone else have to put up with them?

Personally I hope so and find them the worst of excesses of our bloated consumer obsessed world.

Like Disney, Cruise ships have quite a following on MN.
If you dare say anything against either of them fairies die.
I hate both.

@Rosehip10, she’s not UK based, but yes, somewhere known for being a tax haven. But since she is just an employee at fairly lowly level and not a director, owner etc, it stil means she’s in very reduced circumstances. I just wanted to support the point that, however one feels about the cruise industry, many people rely on it for their livelyhood.

I would rather be dead before I go on a cruise... the whole concept feels wrong.
But, my grandparents used to go on small river cruises when they started to get frail. Usually about a car / train ride away from home for 3-4 nights. Having everything available on a "moving" hotel (as they called it) gave them the opportunity to continue with their passion. There are many people who like this easy way of travelling.
So even though many dislike the concept, the cruise industry will bounce back in some form or another.

OP I agree with your opnion of cruises. My little corner is due to become a port of call for a 45 year old ship next year, and I'm dreading it.

I normally holiday in my own region and off-season/shoulder season, when the hotels have unfilled capacity, and I can contribute to the economy without encouraging construction. Now a bit worried that there'll be an huge influx of newbies who would be happier marooned in the Med.

Just because an industry "provides jobs" does not make it beyond criticism. The tobacco industry provides jobs across the developed and developing world, the asbestos industry did!

@CathyorClaire my parents are the same (well DD died last year but he agreed with my Mum) re cruises . Not their thing but they understand others , including some friends of theirs who regularly take them, do like them
My Mum has always said she wouldn't mind a smaller scale cruise like say down the Rhine or the Fjords of Norway etc.

I'm sure the vast majority of people posting here have gone on many holidays in their lifetime. We'll that's how it invariably is on these threads

Some are even posting about how much they disliked the sight of the cruise ship whilst they themselves were on holiday!

As usual it comes down to wanting to restrict the freedom of others whilst leaving oneself free to indulgence under the pretence I'm not as bad as

It is easy to condemn a form of travel you don't like whilst nicely overlooking the many flights, long haul train trips you take. Countries you choose to emigrate to, but then it's alright as long as it's just you. Everyone else is spoiling the place.

Banning everything isn't the solution, unless you're happy for a more unequal society.