To ask genuinely if you aren't following the rules

[MrsKingfisher]

Why? I'm genuinely curious to know why those who can't get to grips with what's been asked of us all at this time or those who need to find a loophole are doing it.

Not key workers etc etc I'm talking about those who simply cannot do as they've been asked. It's mind boggling how simple rules can be so unclear to so many!

Some of my friends just cannot seem to stay at home, just carrying on as if the rules don't apply to them. I don't get it.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin

Was the the quote regarding the Great Global Pandemic of 1755?

Nah, thought not..

I’m not following the rules.

I’m supposed to be shielding (not going outside at all for 3 months) but I have serious mental health issues where being trapped or confined is a major trigger (due to growing up locked in a room due to abuse), zero support, and all my MH support has been cancelled due to the crisis. If I obeyed the shielding rules I’m 100% certain I’d be dead within a few weeks.

I’m still obeying the strict rules for non-vulnerable people, I’m not endangering anyone else. If I got sick I wouldn’t call an ambulance and have no one to call one for me, so I’m not putting any excess strain on the NHS. I’ve weighed up the risks and made a judgement that going outside for walks not touching anyone or going near anyone else is lower risk than complete lockdown.

I’ve been ventilated for pneumonia a few years ago and I’d prefer to die of C19 than die of suicide if I had to choose. I’m not increasing risk to anyone else I so think it should be my choice.

Sadly, plumpynoo, who will be at fault if your or your children pass on the virus to your mum? Why can't you leave the shopping on her step like others do?

My husband recieved the news that his haletjy and fir uncle only in his 40's passed away from this on the weekend. He ran marathons, worked out daily and constantly extolled the benefits of a vegan lifestyle on everyone he met. It is completely shocking that this took him and no, he was not a front line worker. The doctors could only say that the amount of virus he was infected with was probably very high and the immune system could not cope despite being healthy. So please, this does kill relatively young and healthy people too, so anyone who is a rule breaker and believes this won't affect them is an idiot! Furthermore, even if it doesn't affect you, is someone else's life worth your additional supermarket run for more dried pasta and bog roll? Does your desire to have a picnic in the sun with friends matter more than the life of someone's daughter, husband, child or grandparent? The answer is NO. STAY THE FUCK HOME.

*Healthy and fit

I’m so sorry to read that, Rafaroo.

I’m not even going out for walks now, as there are too many people taking exercise on our road. I can’t risk my child’s life. I had a filling fall out two days ago and decided that I don’t even want to risk a visit to the chemist, even though they’re being brilliantly active in making people wait outside and only permitting two at a time. It’s a decent sized chemist too, but I just won’t risk it. I have very little in my bank account and have a few pounds in the house that I should put in, but again I can’t risk it.

I just don’t understand the selfishness and stupidity of people going out as couples for one or two items, on a regular basis or who simply can’t stay away from friends. Those that HAVE to keep things going, in order to protect us all, have no choice in the matter. All we have to do is stay at home and make things easier for them. It’s.not.difficult!

Thank you T0tallyFuckedUpFamily. Yes, I quite agree. It is a really hard time and whilst there are people like you willing to make the sacrifice and only venture out when absolutely necessary, there are still way to many who find this one small thing too big an ask.

What makes me mad is that these same people will fully expect all stops to be pulled out to save their lives should the worst happen to them, or to someone they love. Yet they aren't willing to do their bit. I cannot fathom it!

Well I am and I'm not. I go to the supermarket once a week and only go to one shop rather than a plethora.
I do however drive to the forest 3 miles from my home once a week to give the dogs a run. Today I saw one person and they were 200 metres away at least. I feel this is safer than taking them out the once a day I am allowed.
So while not strictly following the rules I am going out much less than I'm allowed to.

@T0tallyFuckedUpFamily

*I just don’t understand the selfishness and stupidity of people going out as couples for one or two items, on a regular basis or who simply can’t stay away from friends.”

People travel in pairs for a plethora of reasons.
DH & I have been travelling in pairs during this pandemic pretty much all the time. He’s recently recovered from a 3.5 year illness that essentially left him housebound, and is still a bit wobbly getting about so has been advised to stay with someone when out & I am pregnant and have been loosing my waters and so have also been advised to stay with someone when out.

We pop to the village chemist 1/2 times a week and the shop 2x a week and the bakery 2x a week due to a mixture of differing prescriptions and the limits on the amount you can buy in one go

Honestly I think those people just don't care. Don't care if they get it or spread it as long as they can do what they fancy.

There was some twat the other day saying that she was in her 70s and would continue to see her friends etc, as she didn’t care if she died because she’d had a nice life.

The fact that she could be potentially preventing someone else from having any life seemed to have escaped her. Made me so angry that some people are so fucking selfish and blinkered.

Really, why do British people think rules don't apply to them?
Idiots, YOUR LIFE IS AT STAKE HERE!!!

Idiots, YOUR LIFE IS AT STAKE HERE

I have NO problem with that. My problem is that due to these idiots, MY life is at stake here!

Some rules just don't make sense. I can go for a walk but can't drive somewhere to go for a walk. Can't go for a drive just for a change of scenery. I do it anyway and it's not harming anyone. Until otherwise I'll carry on

My neighbours are far from thick, they are successful business people, living in a vey naice house. One said to the other, a few days ago "do you want to go out now, I've already been out twice"

I'm sticking to it, but I do have to go to the shops every couple of days as no freezer and small fridge.

@Jesusisking

Actually, if everyone does what he or she is suppose to do as outlined by the health authorities, this virus will be gone in a very short while & things will be back to normal again, but some people just deliberately refuse to understand this .

Will it though? I’m not a doctor or an epidemiologist but I don’t think that’s how viruses work. I don’t think they just ‘go’.

Isn’t the idea more that the virus is actually going to be around for a long time, and lots of us will get it, but by following the restrictions we will flatten the curve of infection thereby avoiding the collapse of the NHS, which would be catastrophic?

I think they'd prefer people not to be driving around because if you get into an accident you may need an ambulance or someone has to come out and deal with your car so on and so forth

No one knows what it will do but its highly contagious and a high number of people need itu etc so we don't all want it at the same time

And obviously people are looking into vaccines and drugs that may help etc

The virus won’t be “gone” until they find, test, gain approval for, and manage global distribution for a vaccine. That’ll take probably a year and a half at least. We won’t be in lockdown for that long, but we certainly won’t be going back to normal anytime soon.

I’m trying to follow the rules but it seems I can’t anymore. I’m at an “at risk” category but not on the “shielding” list where I would get a letter. My employer (supermarket) are pressuring me to get back to work, last week they said I could have 12 weeks leave (using 2 weeks holiday which I was fine with) but this week they have been on the phone two days in a row to get me back in there. I’m terrified and while I like my job, I feel I’m going to have to resign sadly.

One of the things this has highlighted is how many complicated households there are, and so 'rules' -even sacred MN-invented ones -can't cover every case - people have to interpret as best as they can.
By the way -what is the definition of 'elderly' ?

What is wrong with sitting over 2 m away from another consenting adult discreetly in a garden, in order to stop yourself going utterly mental. I can’t see how it puts anyone at risk.

You touch the seat, the garden gate, the cups/plates etc.

I guess? Also people don’t really keep 2 metres apart, in reality they edge closer when talking. You can see it in parks etc

But yes, a bit strict maybe

You touch them with clean hands. You wash your hands afterwards. You stay over 2 m away. There is no risk.

www.thewrap.com/scrubs-clip-infection-social-distancing-dr-kelso-explainer-coronavirus-video/

Scrubs show why we need to follow the rules.