To ask genuinely if you aren't following the rules

[MrsKingfisher]

Why? I'm genuinely curious to know why those who can't get to grips with what's been asked of us all at this time or those who need to find a loophole are doing it.

Not key workers etc etc I'm talking about those who simply cannot do as they've been asked. It's mind boggling how simple rules can be so unclear to so many!

Some of my friends just cannot seem to stay at home, just carrying on as if the rules don't apply to them. I don't get it.

@WhyIsIt the first week is easy though. The second/third are harder

My in-laws said they did not care and accepted the risk, and we should come visit.

Thats been a massive problem with MIL. She apparently would rather die than not see is for a few weeks, but doesnt seem to understand that for her to die, generally she would be taking a hospital bed and staff etc. plus..we would feel guilty forever as it would be avoidable!

Shes currently trying to emotionally blackmail us about suicide etc if we do not let her come to our house a few times per week

And besides that, is going out a few times daily and also trying to go to neighbors for cuppas etc also. Mind, apparently most of her neighbours are just as 'nasty' as we are and are refusing.

Shes high risk in a few ways too. Yet cares not. Its annoying.

well we live in a small rural village and a lot of the older people here are just wandering around as if its a normal day, chatting on the street, its really fucking irritating! and some people in the shops aren't observing the rules either, just chatting in the isles.
Maybe your friends aren't taking it seriously OP? maybe they think because they can't see this virus it isn't going to catch up with them, but by flouting the rules they arne't helping themselves, they are simply being selfish and making things difficult for general people, the nhs and everyone else to get hold of this illness.
Tougher rules will be put in place if they don't do what is being asked just because the virus will not be contained - so they are in effect drawing out the time we will have to spend being in isolation, please tell them to stop being so stupid

BatShite what bloody selfish woman. Have you pointed out that she could end up being responsible for someone else’s death, by being a silent carrier?

what bloody selfish woman. Have you pointed out that she could end up being responsible for someone else’s death, by being a silent carrier?

Yes, we have tried everything we can think of. Now are just trying to ignore the suicide threats (I really doubt she would follow through, even to punish us..) and hope she doesnt just get in a taxi and try turning up. Its utterly ridiculous really. Going on like a fucking child and its causing a few arguments within the family as some others think we should 'just give in' and say maybe she can come every fortnight or something for an overnight visit too...bad times.

I mean, I do understand that living alone is bloody lonely, and even moreso today. But still.

My husband takes two of our children out with the dog at 6am, and I take the older two children out at around 10pm with the dog. we walk for ten minutes, uckily we are surrounded by fields so its easy to not bump into anyone.
I am so pissed off though with those who are flouting the rules massively, letting their kids play out the front together. The adults are staying in their doorways, but the kids from four different families are all playing footy in the parking area outside. I want to slap them all.

Our local park (quite rightly) is all locked up, and kids are bored, but despite living in a very tiny house with a very tiny garden, we manage, think it helps us hugely that my kids were all home educated beforehand, so, apart from their various activity clubs they went to, life isn't all that different!
I booked a Tesco slot weeks ago and got the shop in today, was so surprised it all arrived so, hopefully won't have to leave the house now for another two weeks at least...
And to those on here who are putting themselves at risk to help us, those delivery drivers, those cleaners, everyone working still to keep us all going, I thank you from the bottom of my and my families heart.

Don’t even get me started on this topic.....
I live in a cul de sac where one neighbour works in a school but her 70 + mother still walks from the other side of town to visit her and said neighbour drops her back in the evening. 2 neighbours have sons visiting and a third family go for walks like they are on a family day out mother father 2 young kids mother in law and dog!! I am a key worker in a school and all I want to do is never leave home again till it’s all over but am doing my bit as I know all is key workers have to. I have never been so angry as when I see these people putting everyone else at risk.....

I think it's just basically down to people thinking it won't happen to them - it might not. But this WILL affect EVERYONE one way or another. Small or large but no one will come out the other side completely unscathed. I can't believe people are still visiting friends and family! I miss my family a lot and I'm glad I don't live alone.
The lock down is already proving that although we still have an increase of new cases every day (at the moment) the amount of new cases is not as steep as predicted. If everyone just stays home, life might start returning to a form if normality by may. I don't think we'll be out of it by May but the lock down may ease a little.

I do wonder why they are still producing and therefore selling daily papers as people are popping out for them every day especially the elderly who are supposed to be shielding.

There aren't really clear messages.
You can go to work if you can work safely ie social distancing and cannot work from home yet I am feeling like a criminal for going to work.
We've been social distancing and following extra hand hygiene for months while people were still flying all over the world without a care. We are now paying the price for earlier inaction.
I'm sick of the supermarket adverts like Aldi's and sainsburys that sound like they're doing us a massive favour "feeding the nation". Obviously I'm very grateful to all the hardworking staff but the shareholders are making a mint. And they were to blame as much for creating shortages by not limiting the amounts people could buy sooner they knew what was happening.

It’s called ignorance

I had to go out yesterday to pick the DC up from their dad. On the motorway, only two cars. No other cars as far as the eye could see. Yet this idiot still sat right on my arse trying to force me to change lanes.

People truly are stupid.

Some people just refuse to get it and come up with every and any excuse as to why they should be allowed to ignore the rules.

When they run out of excuses they just start hitting out and saying that people are being 'judgemental' trying to 'shame' them, 'enjoying the moral high ground' etc

I think some people have never mentally left the school yard.

Im genuinely not entirely sure for some things how to follow the rules and that in intself is challenging. E.g. I currently have 7 people in my house 4 adults and three kids(growing boys and still feeding toddler)...
Kids have allergies and restrictions in supermarkets mean, for example, that the normal amount of soy milk I would require for a week, so I cannot go just once, or to just one supermarket...
I cant take brother, or elderly mother, I cant take the kids?!
If I go with a friend to shop for me i am breaking the rules
if i go to umpteen supermarkets I am breaking the rules
if I go multiple times i am breaking the rules
if i try to take 8pnts of soy milk i am breaking the rules...

not withstanding my household is so big right now (elderlies ended up in hospital just prior to Corona and now cant go home) I look like i am stockpiling regardless...

sometimes it isnt that straightforward and its not helpful that everyone and their dogs now feel like they are Infection Control Experts...

NoMoreDickheads

I don't think many people are carrying on completely as normal, maybe just bending the rules a little bit. I moved in with my bestie (ex partner) for the duration. I've also seen one other friend a couple of times. Both of them have care needs, so to an extent I'm helping them out.

I do a lot of hand washing and gelling etc.

Not stupid, just making it slightly less boring. I don't think seeing one or two people is too extreme- it's no more than people who have partners/families do, after all.

Your user name doesn't suit.
Is people like you that will worsen our at least keep us here.
I wash my hands religiously, gel like mad too, don't touch handles etc without gelling, I was working with a few people and going home..... I caught corona and 3 weeks in I'm still poorly. Don't be a dick.

I also wanted to add that I think people are genuinely confused:

On the one hand we're supposed to be on a lockdown apart from key workers going to work, essential journeys such a food shopping and medicine collection which to be fair, is totally straightforward and easy to understand.....

....... then BoJo says but you can also walk, run or cycle once per day and go out alone or with a family group if you all live together.

Well hang on, that's not a lockdown then is it? Do we NEED to go out for a lovely Sunday stroll with all 5 of our family members and a 4 mile run after work? No. Are some people doing it anyway? Yup.

It's not just about being stupid or selfish (although some clearly are taking the piss) the message from the government is genuinely conflicting.

I say pick a bloody side and stick to it.

P.s
Dog walkers: walk your dog locally or stay inside. You should NOT be driving anywhere, it's not an essential journey.
Sincerely
Dog owner

thick turdsticles
coronastupid
Is MN running out of insults, so they've had to invent some more? The late Richard Whiteley would be proud, even though these could not be broadcast on Countdown.

The aim is to get the virus out of communities and contain it within households which isn't going to work if people keep insisting that they're just mixing with a couple of friends, a few of the neighbours etc

Likewise people who can't see the problem in going for a nice drive down the country because "we won't be getting out of the car"

If the car breaks down you'll have to get out of it
If someone crashes into yoy, you'll have to get out of it
If you get a flat tyre you'll have to get out of it
If you need petrol you'll have to get out of it
If you urgently need the loo youll have to get out of it.

It is crazy. We could all limit our trips and shop for everyone at the same time - so do one shopping trip a week. I actually asked mother in law what she wanted and gave her a couple of days to come up with a list. Said I wouldn't go back to shops for her even if she'd forgotten something as I really only wanted to go to Supermarket once.

I wish online shopping slots were more available. I was paranoid when I went to the Super market - I budgeted lots of extra time so I could social distance - wait for people to finish in the aisles. For some reason- there were families in the shop - 2 adults, 2 kids. Why? Why can't one person come in from your household? Why expose 4 of you in a confined space? Then they were swooping in under me to get their teabags. Why?? aaaaaah! Wish Security guards could turn families away and say only 1 person per family.

I also think people should be "named and shamed" - pics of the offenders put up in papers / social media sites. That might make some people think....

It's almost impossible to follow the shopping rules. No one shop has all the essentials one needs. I'm a key worker in a care environment and it's so tempting to not wash uniform every night. Particularly when you finish at 22:00 and start again at 07:30. There have been some nights when, in order to wash and dry uniform, I've literally kipped for two lots of a couple of hours on the sofa. People are off with anxiety leaving others to work 60 hour weeks to cover. I've got two underlying conditions which put me in the vulnerable group though not quite so bad as to need sheilding. I'm running on empty and scared shitless but can only be allowed three items of fruit and veg in some shops so yes, my daughter, who is our household shopper, will sometimes go in a couple of shops in succession to make sure I have sufficient. So judge me. I'm beyond caring.

I think the inconsistency is difficult- so it’s fine for a 75 year old person to have two carers in each day who have treated tens of other people...yet the same 75 year old can’t have her son or daughter in law come to visit her?

I don’t know anyone who isn’t following the rules. I’m off work, DH working( involved in food industry) and both teens DC home from school and uni.
Apart from DH we are only out once a week for food and once a day each to walk dog/run.

There isnt a rule to shop once a week just as infrequently as possible. Sad that people are having a hard time doing the essentials while people are still popping in for daily paper.

@FelicisNox when I walk the dog, it’s from my house, in a nature park and I see a few people at a distance. When we exercise, again it’s at night, rarely see anyone and if we do, we go a different way. It’s important to exercise and get fresh air for wellbeing which means we are more likely to comply with other rules.

@Isadora2007 the care is essential though. Unless the family want to take that on daily?