Can my children go out for another walk today?

[1278kj]

I’m aware it’s episode of exercise today. I have not been out today.

Basically my partner took dc and the dog out this morning before he went to work - he has to go to work. I was waiting in for a delivery so couldn’t go.

Going a little crazy and thinking of going out for a walk myself but that means two walks for dc today!

I live in a rural area. Hardly anyone around. Probably wouldn’t meet anyone and plenty of open space to socially distance anyway.

Aibu to take them out for another walk?

All this in fighting amongst ourselves keeps us from blaming the true villains in this whole mess - the bloody Gov and their chronic under-investment in our health-care system, which has left countless HCP vacancies, scant Intensive care provision, their failure to prepare adequately by sourcing enough PPE and missing deadlines to join in with other EU countries to procure respirators.
My parent's Gov provided carers were given 3 face masks, 3 fecking masks! and told not to use them unless they suspected Covid19, how many houses are they in and out of all day!!!! - if that's not a disaster waiting to happen I don't know what is! and you guys are fighting over a bloody walk in the countryside where there's close to zero chance of transferring this virus to anyone.

FWIW I think questioning the rules is a good thing and I wouldn't assume all those questioning them are not following them. I agree - it will be a scary country when we stop feeling able to question rules - really fucking scary.

I question them all the time because I am interested in politics, human rights, law and so questioning them is part of that.
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-foolish-freedom-broken-economy-crippled.html
Peter Hitchens wrote this controversial article in the Mail today. I am following the rules but you can't help but wonder.

@TimeForDinnerDinnerDinner

I repeat, as you haven't answered the question

Who is OP putting at additional risk by going out for a second walk?

@Malvinaa81

Same question. Who is OP putting at additional risk by going for a second walk?

,As expected tighter measures will be rolled out within a week judging by Michael Goves avoidance of what further measures will entail. We are all going to get a letter from the PM in the next week which will be a change from bills. This is what happens when people don't comply!hmm

We are all going to get a letter from the PM in the next week which will be a change from bills

Let's hope he stops non essential work happening.

This includes online retailers and their warehouses being open.
Or places staying open because it can't be done from home

I know that's allowed under the law - but that is a far far far bigger risk than 1 person having 2 walks in the countryside.

20 pages on this. Really? Yes go for a walk.

FGS people your daily walk does not need to be in a scenic location. It's thanks to all of those flouting the guidelines, as well as those looking for loopholes and justifications for driving to scenic locations for walks rather than just staying home and taking one local walk/run/cycle a day that even more stringent rules are on the horizon.

Soon all walks could be banned, as they have been in Italy/Spain

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/28/boris-johnson-coronavirus-outbreak-will-get-worse

Who is OP putting at additional risk by going out for a second walk?

What if everyone did this? It's the thin edge of the wedge.

I live in a quiet street, and I've never seen so many people walking/running past our house as I have in the past fortnight.

@caperberries. I am confused - that article suggests stricter measures are not the right way to go?

Spain and Italy = strict measures and huge infection and death rates

Germany, Taiwan, Singapore = less measures but greater testing rates, resulting in much lower death rates

If anything, that article makes me think the UK's approach might be wrong?

Ethelfleda seems set on creating anxiety on Corona threads when none is needed

I could not give one shiny shit about your anxiety levels. In fact, I hope you are anxious. It led be a very normal reaction to what is going on. If you’re care free like most other idiots are then there is something wrong with youz

*you

Isn’t Germany’s death-rate lower because they are testing far more people so the percentage of deaths is lower? We are only testing hospitalised people - by definition already in dire straits. Very many of them will die. But thousands probably have it and are managing symptoms at home, untested.

The longer people take to get this into their thick heads the longer this hell continues

Actually, if we all go back to work and school and leisure pursuits and boozing in pubs and flying together in aluminum tubes and visiting the elderly in care homes and taking our toddlers to soft-play.....this thing is over really quickly.

@caperberries

If everyone went for a second walk where they touch nothing and encounter nobody....

What additional risk is there?

can ANYBODY tell me who the OP is putting at additional risk on the second walk??

Isn’t Germany’s death-rate lower because they are testing far more people so the percentage of deaths is lower? We are only testing hospitalised people - by definition already in dire straits. Very many of them will die. But thousands probably have it and are managing symptoms at home, untested

That is such a good point - death rate is hard to compare if you are looking at deaths per people tested - if you are testing different levels of people.

The death rate is also very variable in parts of the country - for obvious reasons

You come across as hideous and self/righteous. You job is to protect yourself and your family you have no rights spouting abuse at others. This pandemic is obviously brought out the creature you are

If I am a creature for caring about how many millions of people are going to be negatively affected by all of this then so be it. I’d rather be labelled as a creature than being completely ignorant to any and all risk, or for selfishly only worry about my own anxiety levels which are completely dwarfed by the crisis that is engulfing the world right now.
I just want people to consider how they might be spreading it and not using their own mental health as a reason to bend rules or to engage in unnecessary risks.
And I am completely protecting my family. I am doing as much as I can and I still feel utterly helpless. It enrages me that so many people are so individualistic that they cannot see the bigger picture here.

I suspect Germans are also a lot better at sticking to the lockdown guidelines rather than constantly looking for loopholes, exceptions etc like people in the UK

I could not give one shiny shit about your anxiety levels. In fact, I hope you are anxious.

And this is why there will be a mental health crisis after this is all over. Because of nasty people like you. I'm following all of the guidelines...still feel suicidal about all of this. But then I guess I'm just collateral damage as long as everyone is scared as much as humanly possible. You do realise it's counter intuitive anyway. The more frightened people are, the more likely they are to freak out and try to seek some comfort from others, or to go for a walk somewhere that makes them feel better. What we need is sensible, measured updates on what is going on and what the plan and end game for all of this is. Not shrieking and finger pointing and blaming.

so many people are so individualistic that they cannot see the bigger picture here

I agree

I suspect Germans are also a lot better at sticking to the lockdown guidelines rather than constantly looking for loopholes, exceptions etc like people in the UK Wouldn't put a bet in that - have you been to Berlin, last time I was there, despite it being against the law - they were still smoking in quite a few pubs!

What we need is sensible, measured updates on what is going on and what the plan and end game for all of this is. Not shrieking and finger pointing and blaming.

Amen to that. The level of desperate vitriol on mn - and other social media sites - these days is the most terrifying element of this, for me.

Lotsa
But people are using their own mental health as an excuse to bend rules. Your individual mental health just isn’t as important as the wider crisis here. No of course I do not wish for you to feel suicidal and if you knew me in real life, you would know that I do care deeply about people who struggle. I have had more than one break down in my lifetime too.
But that does not mean that it’s ok for people to do whatever the fuck they want, to carry on spreading a virus around that is going to kill people. What about the mental health of people who will lose loved ones? Does that not matter?