Can my children go out for another walk today?

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I’m aware it’s episode of exercise today. I have not been out today.

Basically my partner took dc and the dog out this morning before he went to work - he has to go to work. I was waiting in for a delivery so couldn’t go.

Going a little crazy and thinking of going out for a walk myself but that means two walks for dc today!

I live in a rural area. Hardly anyone around. Probably wouldn’t meet anyone and plenty of open space to socially distance anyway.

Aibu to take them out for another walk?

@mooboy We live on a small island with 67 million other people, where do you think there is a higher chance of bumping in to other people, your own home or outside? It's simple statistics. I have two elderly parents with underlying health issues and a sibling who is going through cancer treatment, sorry if it imposes on anyone else's second walk or there sixth dog walk but I want to see my family again when this is over. The government is issuing guidelines for a reason, it's because people are dying, just turn on your TV. You can call me thick if it makes you feel better but this is getting scary and it is going to get worse, we know this as the government is frantically building temporary hospitals all over the country.

@stolengoat

Who is OP putting at additional risk in her situation by going out twice?

We live on a small island with 67 million other people, where do you think there is a higher chance of bumping in to other people, your own home or outside

lLogically - people in London should not be allowed at all then - or only for 10 minutes a small distance from home

because a Londoner has a much much greater chance of bumping into someone than someone in a rural village.

That is simple statistics - and logic as well.

@Stolengoat There are plenty of bits of this small island that are sparsely populated, sorry you have never been to any but I can reassure you they exist. I have 2 elderly parents with underlying health conditions - Dad has diabetes and cancer and a brother a sister in law with compromised immune systems - the op going out for a second walk will not impact on their life chance in any way. Perspective is needed.

Use common sense people! The objective of this rule is to increase social distancing. If there aren't other people where she is walking it is hardly going to be an issue. Go out guilty free OP

If everyone went out for two walks a day, there would be more people out wouldn’t there? Therefore, less likely to be able to avoid people.

Please don’t advocate that people use their own ‘common sense’ (which, judging by replies here isn’t that common) rather than just doing as they are told.

If everyone went out for two walks a day, there would be more people out wouldn’t there? Therefore, less likely to be able to avoid people. The OP lives in a rural area and is very unlikely to meet anyone. If you arev going to comment - at least read the first post properly before commenting!🤣

If everyone went out for two walks a day, there would be more people out wouldn’t there? Therefore, less likely to be able to avoid people

Maths problem

Is someone more likely to meet someone on one 1 hour walk or on 2 1/2 hr walks?

Ethelfleda seems set on creating anxiety on Corona threads when none is needed.

Best to ignore.

It's not just a case of meeting anyone. Germs can live on surfaces for 3hours up to 3 days depending what it is. Going out more than once increases the risk of contact and further spread. Don't go out its not a necessity

Go for as may walks as you want.

After all it is others the rules apply to, not you.

Don't go out its not a necessity Don't be stupid I go out everyday - I don't touch any surfaces and I stay at least 2m apart and while it might not be important or necessary for you - how bloody dare you decide that it's not a necessity for other people!

Mummyrowland, what surfaces are these scary germs going to land on if you go for a walk in a field? Or five walks in a field?

In the Next couple of weeks expect all building work to stop and no exercise at all to come into force followed by some food shortages and possible rationing as our crops rot in the fields as there's no one to pick them. So before long there might be quite a few people taking essential journeys to the countryside to get fresh food!

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In answer to your question Who is OP putting at additional risk in her situation?

The rules are crystal clear. They are not intended to be interpreted ad libitum. The longer people take to get this into their thick heads the longer this hell continues.

I repeat:
Stop looking for excuses.
Stop looking for exceptions.
Just. Do. It.
PLEASE

Go for as may walks as you want.

After all it is others the rules apply to, not you.

Indeed

The longer people take to get this into their thick heads the longer this hell continues.

We are following the rules here but I am interested in why people keep quoting this. Is this really true because I cannot see how it can be?

The longer people stay isolated the slower the spread. The slower the spread the lower the number of people needing emergency care at any one time. The lower the number of people needing care, the higher the chance of the NHS meeting demand. The higher the chance, the less people die. Makes sense.

BUT also the slower the spread the longer it takes for most people to have had c-19 so that doesn't shorten time to 'herd immunity'. The other option is vaccination and isolation doesn't impact the speed of that.

So why do people keep saying that isolation will speed up progress?

Why is it that so many people in society have become resistant to being told what to do, feeling that the rules don’t apply to them, or that they know best? Given how little is known about this virus at this stage surely it is sensible to follow the advice given? Everyone trying to bend the rules to suit them as they don’t want the hardship of giving things up, despite the fact we’ve been asked to do so. The ‘I’m alright Jack because I live in the country’ attitude is very unpleasant when many are having to give up so much. So just because it’s not deemed dangerous or important in certain parts of the country are we able to break other rules and laws? No because we do as asked because it’s the right thing to do. Rules are rules, just follow them FFS

To be fair - and the risk going around in circles - in this instance the rules are not the rules.

The law says one thing.
Government says another.
The police say a third.

They need to tighten that all up so that all three institutions are saying the same thing.

Why is it that so many people in society have become resistant to being told what to do

I am intrigued you think there was a time when this want true?

Crime rose by a huge amount during the UK blitz blackout and the same issues we are seeing here re covid rules are happening in other places, it would appear

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/23/europe/coronavirus-lockdown-flouted-italy-uk-intl-gbr/index.html

One problem is a lack of endgame.

A vaccine is months away so how is a perfect lockdown going to help us beat this? It might pause it and - if we stay locked down for months- we could pause it until a vaccine is developed. But I am assuming months of lock down is unpalatable for people, not least because of the economic devastation caused.

China tried to lock down for just weeks and appears to have beaten the virus but the science doesn't quite stack up and people have doubts amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/23/europe/coronavirus-lockdown-flouted-italy-uk-intl-gbr/index.html

So what's our end game? I think articulating this is part of how you bring people on side.

The longer people take to get this into their thick heads the longer this hell continues.

I also don't understand the logic of this statement.

Crikey ... I’m a general rule follower but a bit of common sense needs to prevail.
Quiet location - easy social distancing and no gate posts to touch = no additional risk if you go out for 2 short walks.

The ‘I’m alright Jack because I live in the country’ attitude is very unpleasant

I think this is a bit unfair tbh. Rural living involves less shops, less access to healthcare, less access to internet speeds, culture and entertainment venues, and more.

I don't see anyone in a town saying 'I'll go to the shops a bit less because some villages only have one corner shop and so don't have similar access' to 'I'll wait an hour before setting off to hospital because some people live an hour or more away from their nearest one'.

It's not a competition but living in different areas comes with pluses and negatives. Rural living comes with the plus of less people and more space - easy access to open countryside. It comes with the negative of less people so far less facilities.

@iWantToBreakBrie I apologise for not being clearer, I don’t think people have suddenly become like this, more that it shows at the moment. I guess the saying that people show their true colours in a crisis rings true now

No worries. FWIW I think questioning the rules is a good thing and I wouldn't assume all those questioning them are not following them.

I question them all the time because I am interested in politics, human rights, law and so questioning them is part of that.

I've still only been out for my state sanctioned walk once a day for the last week. I suspect others are the same.