Prime Ministers speech

[Thedogscollar]

AIBU to think that after the PM's speech tonight which could not be more clear in its meaning and instruction, that if this does not keep people at home then I despair for the country and it's future.

Part of my business is a support service to construction. I listened carefully to BJ. He did not ban construction, so if it essential for you to travel to work, e.g, on a construction site, you can do so. All construction sites are required to have strict H & S protocols in any case. And will now have C virus protocols as well. So my staff, when it is essential, will travel to sites. Otherwise, they work from home.

On another matter, I have a horse. I am now not allowed to visit the yard, but I need to leave food and supplements, which I will do tomorrow, provided the feed store is open. Other than dropping in feed, I won’t see horse now for 10+ weeks.

As for PP whose partner doesn’t live with them, unless you can keep him there for the foreseeable future then no, you don’t get to see him for the next three weeks (or longer if that happens.) Lots of people unfortunately in the same position. My partner lives 150 miles away and we see each other every weekend but have not seen each other for two weeks now and will not see each other for the foreseeable future as i am in at-risk category anyway.

@Moanranger construction sites were ordered to close here in Scotland I’m sure. Is that not the case in England too?

Of all the times people should be asking questions, I would have thought the day most of our civil liberties are summarily removed is the one. It may very well be the right thing to do, but we won’t know that unless we question and challenge. It’ll be a bit bloody late in six months’ time, when there’s a camera on every street corner and on the spot fines for disobeying police orders.

Dramatic? Far more countries have gone down that route with the excuse that it’s for public safety than have temporarily shut down for a genuine emergency. And I haven’t got numbers to back it up, but I suspect more people have suffered and died as a result of state brutality in the last 100 years than from a pandemic. And I’d like us all to be free to ask questions without immediately being descended upon by a baying mob. That kind of shit makes me deeply uncomfortable.

@PumpkinPie2016 so sorry for your loss

I’ve a washing machine repair booked and I’m wondering if repair people will still be able to work? Not from an entirely selfish perspective though I’m also thinking of households where there might be elderly/disabled with continence issues or babies/young children who may need repairs at this time in order to maintain health and hygiene.

I’m also thinking of other repairs that may be necessary with so many at home and using things they wouldn’t normally use as much.

But aside from that I’m already really struggling to get groceries delivered (housebound and even if I wasn’t normally I’d be putting myself at risk going out to shop now anyway as I have problems with my lungs anyway among other things).

moanranger I do not see construction workers anywhere on the list of key workers.

There is another thread on here tonight posted after the PM speech asking if they can visit a private holiday cottage in the Yorkshire moors. The depths of stupidity on here know no bounds.

I'm going back to work next week NHS frontline and yeah I'm anxious even a bit scared but I will go and do my best. All I ask is that EVERYONE man woman and child complies with the rules or we are well and truly screwed.

doobigetta your shit post has made me deeply pissed off. You are truly ignorant. I rest my fucking case this country has the IQ of a fucking lemon.

@PumpkinPie2016
So sorry to hear about your nana. I’m sure her funeral will be lovely and dignified as she surely deserved, even if it’s not the big send off you might have arranged if it wasn’t for all this. She is safe and at peace now

@PumpkinPie2016 we are in a similar position to you, as my mother in law died at the end of last week (she was 94 and it wasn't corona virus). We are planning to have a very short service at the crematorium with only immediate family present, possibly just my husband and me (he's an only child).

Once things get back to normal (assuming they do) we will have a memorial service in her church for wider family and friends.

I thought it was half arsed to be honest.
This group are allowed out. These aren’t.
People can still use public transport to get to work. Having people coughing and spluttering all over them on a heavy crowded bus is harmless, apparently.
We’re either on Lockdown or we’re not, Boris

doobigetta your shit post has made me deeply pissed off. You are truly ignorant. I rest my fucking case this country has the IQ of a fucking lemon.

They aren't wrong about questioning it though (don't know about pandemic Vs police brutality). You can question a decision without disobeying it. PP isn't saying she's going to wilfully go out and break lockdown as a way of sticking it to the man but asking questions, in my opinion, is never a bad thing. Lots of people on this thread have already wanted things clarifying and you can either answer their questions and help ensure that people are obeying rules and guidelines as well as possible or you can rant and call people idiots. One option is considerably more useful than the other.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others

Just read it. It's very clear.

Thank you, MissingLink. It’s reassuring that not everyone has completely lost all sense.

Thedogscollar, I’m going to assume you are tired and scared so I’m going to try really hard not to respond to you.

Trouble is MissingLinker it has already been clarified. If you are too stupid to understand it that's your problem but unfortunately will be mine as well.

It was very vague regarding work. I'm not a key worker, neither am I business critical (This may change) I am expected to go to work.

Thanks Qforcucumber It's not just me that reads it and understands it clearly then.

@Thedogscollar

If someone cant read

You should only leave the house for one of four reasons.
● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as
possible.
● One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your
household.
● Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
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● Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

And not see it as extremely straightforward advice I'd personally think they're either being deliberate in their misunderstanding or trying to find a way it shouldn't apply to them personally.

Its 3 weeks, 21 damned days time save hundreds of lives. I'm already a week into it, for me its 12 weeks as I'm pregnant. I'd like to have my baby in a somewhat normal environment in 10 weeks time.

@Moanranger

Has your yard told you not to go? My mum is still going to do our horses, otherwise they'd starve...

What part of stay home, keep yourself, your family and others safe do people not understand?

We are allowed to go out to get ESSENTIAL supplies - groceries and meds. That does not mean going to a Tesco and getting three trolley fulls every day! We are allowed out for exercise - provided we only go with the people we live with.

The way it’s going we will be in complete lockdown soon! When did people become so thick!

The message is stay home, keep safe! It isn’t difficult.

Qforcucumber Yep quite straightforward and comprehensive really. I agree people are trying to find loopholes so it doesn't apply to them.
Goodluck with your baby I do hope the situation is a lot better in 10 weeks. I work as a midwife and I don't relish the thought of having to look after a lady in labour with all the PPE gear on. It is a day for the best memories to be made not one of your worst.

Trouble is MissingLinker it has already been clarified. If you are too stupid to understand it that's your problem but unfortunately will be mine as well.

Due to the nature of my job, I understand perfectly what I am supposed to be doing with regards to it, thank you.

I'm rather more concerned about measures that might be taken to enforce social distancing or isolation in the long term. People are rightly going to be concerned if you have a greater police and military presence, whether it is for the greater good or not. As you seem to think you're so intellectually superior, I'm sure you aren't naive enough to think that politicians involved in this wouldn't stoop to utilising Covid 19 to push through other policies, to support other agendas. The conservatives have a safe majority, they could have done a lot (good or bad, depending on your perspective) with little effective protest before this happened and there's only so long it's all going to go on hold.

We've quite willingly gone into lockdown and, while I absolutely agree it was the best thing to do in the interest of public health, it could potentially make it very easy, somewhere down the line, for policies to be introduced which are altogether detrimental to the people of this country, whether as a poorly thought out remedy for the current situation or for some other purpose. And if that happens, we should be asking questions, not just nodding along.

You'd have to be allowed to go to the yard unless you pay for livery, they can't expect you to let animals starve. I think yard owners will have to take on full feeding duties though.

TeaAndDarkToast
You can usually renew the book either online,or by phone. With my library service,you can renew in this way twice,after that you have to either return it or take it back to renew it.

So much nastiness on this thread. Is it really necessary to keep calling people 'thick' and 'hard of thinking'? Whatever happened to pulling together in times of crisis?

Completely agree with your post, MissingLinker. Who is going to hold the government to account on this? Who is going to ensure that restrictions only last as long as they need to? That the police and the army enforce them in a legal way? One of the first things that was cancelled, before anyone was seriously talking about lockdown, was local elections. Jury trials were canned pretty quickly as well. These things matter. Countries slide into authoritarianism during a crisis, when everything is up in the air. There was a tiny little story buried in the Guardian the other day reporting that the Coronavirus bill has provisions for up to two years, with no mandatory review period, and isn’t being debated properly in parliament. And only two MPs were flagging this as a concern. That scares me.