Selfish dicks selling 47p Aldi handgels in eBay for £18?

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I wish Ebay would add a category to report these arseholes.

If some twat wants to buy a 47p product for £19 then knock yourself out. Darwin's theory at play there.....

But seeing OAPs asking in shops for this knowing some utter low life has bought the entire delivery to sell on eBay gives me rage.

I bet Ebay love their cut. I would report it but theres no category.

Arseholes. Yes I am aware I need to get a life and go back to looking for a last minute fucking world book day costume in my dress up pile of doom, but this is why I hate humans and hope viruses kill our species off somedays

We may be one of those households who have panic bought loo roll.

Or rather a communication fail and both bought large packs of it because that’s all they had, and did the same again the next week as both forgot we’d already done it. Oh yes. We have 120.

@chocolateteapot20 here is an nhs guide recommending Both handwashing and anti bacterial gel when you can’t wash your hands, if that helps www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

@chocolateteapot20 this is better information again though from WHO
apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331215/WHO-2019-nCov-IPCPPE_use-2020.1-eng.pdf

chocolateteapot20

Did you realise that many commercially available Hand Sanitiser Gels had the required levels of alcohol?

Many do. If you can get them.

I've been carrying bottle for a year since I realised how few people wash their hands when leaving the toilets🤢
Now I look like I am freaked out by corona🙄

@WalkingdeadTrainee same here always had a bottle in the back pocket though I only saw the figures for lack of handwashing after the toilet yesterday, it’s so grim!!!

I was once in bathrooms when it was busy @Yummymummy2020
That's what nightmares are made from.
I haven't been ill since I started using it! People are fucking disgusting I tell ya.
Also. Mine always have 60%+ and I have always added tiny bit of surgical spirit

I thought ebay were putting a stop to this? I agree OP it's totally selfish.

Thanks for the NHS and WHO links, @Yummymummy2020, and I'm sure as the scientists learn more about this particular strain, and whatever it might ultimately become, advice will evolve.

Yes, @sleepingpup, I do know that many (but not all) commercially available gels now contain the currently approved percentage of alcohol; I have been surprised by how little comparative information there is out there about which ones ARE above this, though, in the UK anyway.

For some conditions, the time factor can also affect the results/protection levels when it comes to slapping on the gel - some research suggests 30 seconds: www.fha.org/files/JohnW/EM/Ethanol-hand-sanitizer-and-HAV.pdf

The University of Kyoto has been carrying out some interesting work recently (though I'm not sure it was COVID-19 specific).

And yes, members of this household do carry the gels, as well as washing our hands regularly. We're getting through a LOT of soap and hand cream right now...

I don't agree with the profiteering, but the harsh fact is that's how it has worked since time began in times of war/famine/dire need/panic/desperation. Given human nature, that's pretty much how it always will. I've seen already that some companies have introduced rationing, effectively.

We've personally been immured from some of these harsh facts of life in many parts of the west for a long, long time as we've lived in a time of plenty (for us, that is).

I’ve mentioned twice on this thread that typically viruses are more resistant to disinfectants than bacteria, but coronavirus is an enveloped virus, and is very susceptible to soaps and detergents, which explode the outer membranes, rendering them ineffective

Alcohol can also effectively attack the structure. The NHS and Public Health England both agree that to kill most viruses, a hand sanitiser needs at least 60% alcohol content, with most containing 60-95%

However, hand sanitisers won’t get rid of certain types of germs, dirt and chemicals, whereas soap will, which is why hand-washing is preferred.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/hand-sanitizer-effective-soap-water-make-12339048/amp/

Also Hand sanitiser may not be as effective when hands are visibly dirty or greasy so if you keep on applying hand sanitiser to unwashed hands it’s not going to protect you as much as washing your hands would do

www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html#sixteen

The issue is that hand sanitisers don’t work as effectively as hand washing when your hands are visibly dirty or greasy as hand sanitisers don’t penetrate dirt and grease

However, hand sanitisers won’t get rid of certain types of germs, dirt and chemicals, whereas soap will, which is why hand-washing is preferred

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/03/03/hand-sanitizer-effective-soap-water-make-12339048/amp/

Also Hand sanitiser may not be as effective when hands are visibly dirty or greasy so if you keep on applying hand sanitiser to unwashed hands it’s not going to protect you as much as washing your hands would do.

www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html#sixteen

@Sofonisba the gels I use are alcohol free or significantly lower in alcohol than the hard core ones like Milton that actually kill viruses. The high alcohol ones give me sore skin which ironically leaves me more at risk of infection through the skin being broken. So actually, they are completely pointless against Covid-19.

Of course they are still sold out everywhere 🙄

I have started washing with clorhexidine solution because I've nearly run out of gel, and am just sort of hoping for the best. I'm not even that concerned about coronavirus, I just don't want to get necrotising fasciitis again.

It's supply and demand but morally bankrupt.
I hope they get stuck with a load of gels they can't sell and struck off those sites.

Isn't Cien Lidl btw? Not aldi?

It's the fact that most of the sanitisers you can buy are NOT high enough in alcohol to have the effect people think they're going to. It needs to be 60% alcohol or above. But that's what happens when people listen to the media and panic. *

@chocolateteapot20

Nope not correct. I have 6 different brands here ( 5 minis ) and 5 are above 70% and all were bought without checking and before I knew that criteria.

Sigh. It's a VIRUS. Anti-BACTERIAL gels aren't really going to help that much UNLESS they're high in alcohol.

You use hand gels in your family but you were so patronising about others on this thread advocating their sensible use!

I just don't get this anti hand sanitiser thing going on.

They have a place as the refs Yummymummy has kindly linked to show.

And yes I KNOW hand washing with SOAP is the best available deterrent.

the gels I use are alcohol free or significantly lower in alcohol than the hard core ones like Milton that actually kill viruses. The high alcohol ones give me sore skin which ironically leaves me more at risk of infection through the skin being broken. So actually, they are completely pointless against Covid-19.

Boots do an antiviral foam and I don't think it's got alcohol in it. It's obviously sold out at the moment but could be back in stock in the future.

Everyone knows hand washing with soap is the best, but there are bathroom door AFTER the handwashing. The door hundred people touched with their unwashed hands.
Door handles in public should be made from copper by law.

Couldn't find any anywhere in my local town, not even primark. My guess was twats going to sell it for £000s on ebay, i was right lol
I only wanted some for when i go oj public transport as washing facilities don't exist on them. Selfish arseholes

The Body shop does handgels not sure of the alcohol content but the plebs might not have raided them yet?

The Body shop does handgels not sure of the alcohol content but the plebs might not have raided them yet?

Wow. That's quite some snobbery you've got going on there.

@sleepingpup I evidently wasn't clear; I was intending to express exasperation with some of the mainstream media coverage, especially where they don't make it abundantly clear that you need the (relatively) high alcohol content ones for them to be effective. And for their role in stoking panic. That's what I'm cross about, and about people being allowed to stockpile, not people having enough to keep their own families safe.

Yes, we use soap and water AND hand gels, since better safe than sorry and all. And as it happens, we pretty much always have a small stock in, along with a small stock of various types of Dettol and Hibiscrub, amongst other substances.

We have jokingly discussed that if this continues much longer we'll be able to sell the Dettol and move somewhere much less populated like New Zealand but we wouldn't actually dream of profiting from it. (And we're not talking crates of the stuff, just 2 or 3 extras.)

"use hand gels in your family but you were so patronising about others on this thread advocating their sensible use!"

Even with all the precautions I've mentioned above, and washing uniforms etc on their own at 60 degrees as recommended, and wearing gloves when appropriate, we still get sick intermittently! Sometimes the bugs are just too strong. We had the worst adult 'flu (if it WAS 'flu) any of us can remember back in November; it just kept coming back, like a ruddy zombie....

Yes the plebs that are going to supermarkets and shops and buying up all the handgel to sell on. Got fuck all to do with snobbery.

How do you know that 'plebs' are behind the ebay stuff? Or that 'plebs' don't go to Body Shop?

You're making snobbish assumptions.

Anyone buying 47p handgels and trying to flog them for £19 a pop because people are panicking is a fucking pleb or cunt - take your pick on the name.

I wish Ebay would add a category to report these arseholes.

Report them for what? 🤷‍♀️

YABU

People can offer whatever they like (well, almost!) for whatever price they like!

Demand and supply is a basic rule of economics - I doubt they will sell many at this price anyway.

Sorry @chocolateteapot20 you weren't clear at all.

Regardless of your intentions you were wrong

70% + anti bac gel WILL have an effect on Covid 19 virus

It is effective as an interim measure in certain circumstances

Many many hand gels have the correct alcohol levels. ( not as you said 'most don't')

Your tone was very disparaging despite the fact you use it ( correctly) yourself.

Despite you appearing to having a great deal of information to hand, University of Kyoto etc,
the info linked to counter your misinformation was NHS and WHO which are an obvious place to start.

Frankly if you are going to sound so authoritative you need to get it correct.