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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
ConkerGame · 02/03/2020 15:11

I have a very similar situation with BIL and SIL’s behaviour towards my in-laws. I think basically SIL is very different from PIL and therefore doesn’t enjoy spending time with them. BIL and SIL do nearly everything together so if she doesn’t want to visit PIL then they end up not making plans to do so.

In both my case and OP’s case I blame the son. It shouldn’t be up to the DIL to facilitate a relationship between her DH and his parents. If I wanted to see my parents and DH didn’t fancy it I’d just go without him. Your son isn’t making these arrangements with you for some reason, either because he doesn’t get on with you all that well or because he can’t be bothered. Neither are DIL’s fault.

I do wonder how good your relationship with your son actually is though, given he didn’t introduce his partner to you for quite a while and also he’s picked to marry someone who doesn’t like his family. One of my main criteria in DH was that he got on well with my family, as that’s very important to me. Your son doesn’t seem to place the same importance on family as she does and/or the relationship between you and him wasn’t all that good to start with. Both of these are things to tackle with him alone, not with his wife.

Paintedmaypole · 02/03/2020 15:14

I agree with alsohuman .I think it would be very ill advised to confront your son or attempt to have it out with him. MN is not a good place for a PIL, especially a male one to get a fair hearing. It is full of prejudice and projection.

Alsohuman · 02/03/2020 15:15

I’m not blaming women @AngelsSins. Regardless of the reasons for it, that particular saying is as old as time and has been true for centuries.

Dashel · 02/03/2020 15:18

Is the OP asking his DIL to arrange things? No he isn’t, he just wants a good relationship with her and his son. That isn’t exactly wifework it’s part of being a family.

Anyway some men do arrange things and go out of their way to help their in laws. My DH may not think to organise an afternoon out with his family as I often as I would, but he does and whilst there if he saw a job that needed doing he would organise that, the materials and when to go back.

Besides it depends on what the family set up, With regards to housework, diy and working hours. I do all DHs ironing. I don’t see it as wifework as he would be busy sorting out putting in new radiators. It might sound sexist but he will do a good job of that and I wouldn’t. If contacting and organising parents is included as part of the split of work then I wouldn’t say it’s sexist either.

flower1994 · 02/03/2020 15:28

AngelsSins 🙌🙌

BeroccaFiend · 02/03/2020 15:47

It’s true because men aren’t being raised to take responsibility for maintaining relationships, not because evil woman are snatching away poor vulnerable men, and yet women are always blamed. It’s not good enough that we maintain relationships with our own friends and family, we have to do it for the poor manchild who can’t possibly invite his own mum round for tea.

Exactly, @AngelsSins. There are always people who support the 'daughter's a daughter for all of your life' guff by saying they see far more daughters dropping elderly relatives to hospital appointments etc -- but it's exactly the same sexist socialisation fuelling that, with a side order of the assumption that women's careers become curiously optional once they have children.

I do all DHs ironing. I don’t see it as wifework as he would be busy sorting out putting in new radiators.

This makes even less sense than the frequent 'I do all the cooking and cleaning, and he handles the garden and car maintenance ' -- unless you somehow need your radiators replaced on a thrice-weekly or weekly basis, this is in no way equivalent.

Brefugee · 02/03/2020 16:02

I do less "wifework" than my DH because I'm shit at cooking and i won't iron so he does all that. I do the garden the cars and drink all the beer the tax returns.

and I really don't care if that son/daughter tripe is as old as the hills: we can be the generation that puts a stop to it! Grin

vegvegveg · 02/03/2020 16:23

Another one here who would be really interested to hear things from the (DIL and Sons) perspective.

countrygirl99 · 02/03/2020 16:41

My MIL was lovely and welcoming but I used to hate visiting when we were first married because her expectations of my married life were so different to hers it exhausted me. I was studying to be a Chartered Accountant but she assumed that as soon as you got married you would ttc. The all time classic was just after I qualified (meaning babies at last in her world view), I said not yet I want to establish my career. Her response - you could always get a part time job in Sainsbury's. Now I know there is nothing wrong with working in a supermarket but I spent years doing exams to boost my earnings and not ge dependent on a man. Are you giving off that vibe?

Alsohuman · 02/03/2020 16:48

It’s true because men are (quite rightly) expected to put their wife first. I guess someone will be along in a minute to argue with that.

Winter2020 · 02/03/2020 16:55

It's a horrid situation OP but it's very common and I don't think you are to blame.

however something you could try is to be slightly more loving/welcoming (which might feel a little alien and awkward for you if you are not used to it) but inviting them (or your son) for a brief visit with - we would love to see you!

I noticed you invited them for a meal monthly because they were skint /that would help them etc. If you said that to them It's not that nice to say we'll do this because you are skint and if they were skint eating at yours once a month isn't really going to make any difference. (could have got your daughter in laws back up as it sounds like she is supposed to be grateful for this when she was probably offended) How different it would have been to say "would you come to see us for a meal once a month because we would love to see you".

It's a small thing but my in laws (who are kind and do mean well and help me lots) phoned when my husband was at work and said "we wondered if you would like to bring toddler to play today (lovely I think) ....as our house is bigger and they will have space to move around". Changes the vibe entirely. How nice it would have been if they had said "we wondered if you would like to bring toddler to play today as we would love to see you both". Yes it got my back up - probably irrationally as I know they are kind really.

crispysausagerolls · 02/03/2020 16:58

It’s true because men are (quite rightly) expected to put their wife first. I guess someone will be along in a minute to argue with that

Men should put their wives first. Yes. But some women are nasty individuals who exploit this as they enjoy flexing their muscles.

AngelsSins · 02/03/2020 17:03

It’s true because men are (quite rightly) expected to put their wife first

Ha! Where as women just put themselves first do they? No, more often than not they do most the cooking and cleaning for their husbands, wash his dirty pants, put up with his porn habit, agree to sex acts that please him and sacrifice their own orgasm to protect his fragile ego, shave our legs, wear make up, sort out gifts for his family....
We manage to do all of that and still make the effort to see friends and family. It’s a cop out to suggest that a man can’t possibly do the same.

PelicanPie · 02/03/2020 17:05

The thing is , even if you find your inlaws hard work, you put up with it because they are your partner's family. Very few people enjoy spending time with their inlaws I imagine. You do it because you love your partner, and you try not to be rude and unpleasant. However you are coming across to your daughter in law, she is just being rude.

PelicanPie · 02/03/2020 17:06

Sorry that was rather clumsily put.

Alsohuman · 02/03/2020 17:08

Jesus, I’m glad my marriage isn’t like yours @AngelsSins! I wouldn’t put up with any of that.

PelicanPie · 02/03/2020 17:08

angel

No one has to put up with sex acts they don't enjoy, sacrifice their orgasms or put up with porn. That's a choice made due to poor self esteem.

springydaff · 02/03/2020 17:08

But if they'd said "it would be lovely to see you", Winter, some MNers would find that suffocating.

ILs (and parents it seems) can't win.

AngelsSins · 02/03/2020 17:11

Jesus, I’m glad my marriage isn’t like yours @AngelsSins! I wouldn’t put up with any of that

To be clear, I don’t put up with any of that!!! But I’ve been on here long enough to see that it isn’t uncommon. My point is women are socialised to put men first, far more than the other way around, so suggesting that he can’t put his wife first AND maintain a relationship with his parents is a cop out.

IrmaFayLear · 02/03/2020 17:27

I think there are people from every era and every demographic who are just not nice, and are determined that it's their way or the highway. A combination of their bullying nature and a spouse who has been indoctrinated or just knows that their life will be hell if they make a stand leads to the Alpha Partner dictating their life.

Mil didn't like her mil or fil's family. Fil had to sneak off after work to visit his dm. If he took dh, dh was sworn to secrecy. There were certainly no family visits to dh's gm and the gm was never invited over. There was no particular issue, mil just didn't want her in the picture. Indeed fil was allowed no friends or social activities. Actually I can think of loads of examples of women who prevent their spouses from seeing their family, not because they are evil people but because they're not their family.

totallydevoidofideas · 02/03/2020 17:36

My only wisdom from my years is that things change. What you have now is not how it will be in 5 or 10 years time and you need to bear that in mind. Just try not to make it worse. If they split up for example, you need to be waiting in the wings non-judgementally and your DS needs to feel he can talk to you about how he feels, and ironically if you've criticised her in the past that won't happen. If they have children, it would be good if you have at least some contact and can all manage to be in the same room as each other. If you tackle your DS too directly now, that might not be possible as he will tell her everything you say. For goodness sake, don't threaten. So take the long view and keep the peace, be generous and stay calm. You probably can't alter the situation to improve it very much, but you can easily make it worse if you aren't careful.

C8H10N4O2 · 02/03/2020 17:54

But she’s was quite happy to take a big chunk of money off them to get a house. Ingratitude is an awful trait

OP stated that both sets of parents contributed. For how long do they have to be grateful in a set style?

This kind of folk wisdom has been handed down generations because it’s true

Its sexist old shit which assumes women are responsible for all relationship management in both families. Its only true in families who propagate that sexist behaviour.

OP says the son has been spoilt - that isn't the DiL's fault. The problem is their relationship with their son, and possibly with unreasonable expectations of the DiL who may have a very different viewpoint on the incidents described.

As for PiL getting a hard time on MN - every PiL is also a parent.

81Byerley · 02/03/2020 18:01

@gingersausage hahaha speak your mind, why don't you!!

Alsohuman · 02/03/2020 18:06

Its sexist old shit which assumes women are responsible for all relationship management in both families. Its only true in families who propagate that sexist behaviour

No it isn’t. It means that women favour their birth family over the one they marry into and their husbands follow suit. And we see the evidence of that on MN every day of the week. Mils are the lowest of the low.

springydaff · 02/03/2020 18:19

Yyy, op needs to learn (as we all do as our kids grow into adulthood) to take a more measured approach. Yes, absolutely.

But how about some compassion for the awful pain of effectively losing a child? I imagine the pain is immense - yet the op and people like him are told to keep quiet and go on holidays, just get on with his life. A life that is negotiating considerable pain about the situation he outlines.

Curiously lacking in even basic compassion I feel. Or are older parents/ILs somehow deserving of this particular agony? You'd think so reading a lot of the replies on here.

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