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Son & wife's attitude issues

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doyafeellucky · 01/03/2020 20:42

Sorry, this has turned into a longer post than intended but even then, I cannot describe all the situations and my frustrations.

Ive always been one to think I can work out problems but Im at my wits ends now. My wife and I both love our adult son who is now in his early 30's. Before our son and now wife were engaged and married, we thought we had made her feel welcome in both our home and family.

At first things seemed good. We have no problem with our son living a full independent life but, a number of things have hurt me. Im growing tired of the disregard being displayed by our son towards us and I feel we are being made into second choices. I dont expect our son to put us on a pedestal but think he and his wife should be sharing occasions more between the families rather than seeming to prioritise the others.

Prior to their marriage, I was shocked when we were told his future mother in law was organising a birthday bash for our son and would we like to come along? It was almost an after thought but hindsight suggests it was a hint of what was to come.

As most parents do nowadays, Bank of Mum & Dad, both us and our son's future mother in law helped them buy their first home. I didnt know at the time but her mother and partner were invited to house welcoming meal. We got no such invite which I find upsetting to say the least.

With initial income being tight, we asked if they'd like to come for tea, nothing special, once a month and they agreed. Everything was fine for the first 5 or 6 months. After one meal where my wife had spent time preparing, our son's fiancee decided she wanted to leave straight after the meal. I suggested my wife wanted some time to talk with them as she'd been preparing the meal and just upping and leaving was a bit unfair on her. Apparently that didnt bode well.

Later, we learnt my son's then fiancee started saying we were 'too formal,' whatever that means. Next our son says his fiancee didnt like coming to our home which meant they started visiting us less. When they visit together, they are always on their way out somewhere else or are coming back so they cannot stay long.

I have noticed she is always looking for an excuse to leave as soon as she arrives no matter how much effort we make to talk. She's more interested in her phone and What's App. But I come in useful at times for her being asked to take her to the nearest railway station from time to time.

Now, the last couple of times they have popped around, she has started staying outside in the car, again, meaning we dont get to see our son for long.

The actual wedding was something else, Our family was made to feel like it was there to make up the numbers. Unknown to us at the time, numerous official pictures of the bride and groom with all her family were taken. Despite members of our extended family being present we got 2 official pictures of my wife, our other son and myself with them. Even then, we were an after thought at seeing and being able to order the official pictures and given just 1 week before orders were no longer being taken. That hurt me enormously, goodness knows how my wife felt.

I later found out that during the evening reception when my wife welcomed our daughter in law into the family, she said our family name was 'sh*t' and she didnt intend using it although she does do so in all letters etc. I would probably have made a scene if my wife had told me this at the time.

It's the same at special occasions. 2 out of the last 3 Christmases, we have had to decamp to her mother's home because 'she always spends Christmas at her mother's and couldnt give a sh*t whether her now husband is with her or not.' Those are her words. We invited her family to ours in return for the first Christmas and would be happy to do so again but their plans are already made etc, etc so sorry we cannot make it.

Both my wife's and my birthday are near Christmas. Im not too bothered about celebrating my birthdays anymore. My wife and I had discussed it and decided to mark her birthday with some informal pub grub. But my son then says his wife doesnt like 'pub grub' which is strange because the last Christmas meal was at a pub! So we ended up having a restaurant meal which was nearer my birthday and not my wife's as I wanted.

The last straw is son and wife came around on Saturday to say they are going out with her mother for Mother's Day and would we like them to visit us 'on the way there or on the way back.'

If these events were being held at my son and his wife's home, Id have no problem with this but every special occasion has to be at her mother's home, venue of choice or involvement. We dont even get the opportunity to ask would you like to go out for Mother's Day, anniversay etc.

I find myself hoping my son and wife do not have any children, I am convinced we would never see them while they'll spend all the time at her mother's.

Im at the point now where I consider I need to make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

My wife seems prepared to put up with this while Im not as I think it's only going to get worse and we continue to be pushed aside. I really dont know how to broach the subject with my son. I find it hard to believe he doesnt see what is happening here because there are lots of other things going on that I havent covered.

Basically, how should I approach this? Thank you for reading and any input.

OP posts:
thegcatsmother · 02/03/2020 21:35

I regularly consider disinheriting ds when he irritates me..doesn't mean I actually threaten him with it though. Read the OP properly Quick.

As to wedding photos, at my db's wedding, there were ones of the B&G with every permutation of her family, and my Dad and his wife (the OW in my parents divorce). There was not one photo of them with DM. When Mum commented on this when she saw the photos, she was told off for being touchy, and all sort of crappy excuses were offered as to why there wasn't a pic with her (there were too many to take; the list got lost etc etc.) To this day (and we are 25 years on now), she is still hurt by this. I can see why the OP and his wife were hurt.

springydaff · 02/03/2020 21:40

Can you not, enraged posters, see the OP as a normal human being? Just like you and I. Did their best, is incredibly hurt at what has transpired, despite his, and their, best efforts.

It's so reductive to label the (usually older) parent as villainous. Family relationships can twist on a pin and suddenly become nightmarish. Hang around, it can happen to anyone, even the best parents.

And no parent is perfect. Yes you get the horrors, as you do anywhere, but the vast majority are ordinary folk doing their best. Have some compassion, you may be in op's shoes one day. Yes really!

Quicklittlenamechange · 02/03/2020 21:44

make my feelings clear to our son. If he wants to consider us as second choice parents, Im not inclined to make him first choice inheritance.

As I said Im tired I read it correctly but wrote incorrectly - Ive asked AIBU to forgive that one .
but this is what the OP wrote , which I dont take as a joke ( have threaten to sell my DC btw )but he is pretty serious -no?

Alsohuman · 02/03/2020 21:48

Nobody’s said it’s a joke. What those of us with adult children are saying is that it’s crossed our minds when they particularly irritate us. That doesn’t mean we’d do it or threaten it.

ChristmasCarcass · 02/03/2020 21:56

Why would a supposedly loving,caring, parent even consider it ??

Oh FFS, probably for the same reason I told my husband I wanted to beat somebody at work to death with a file yesterday. People often use hyperbole when they are venting to third people. It doesn’t mean they would say it to the person in question’s face, let alone actually do it.

HannaYeah · 02/03/2020 21:58

@Quicklittlenamechange

Why should anyone forgive you?
You give no grace or understanding to the OP but think you deserve it yourself?

dayswithaY · 02/03/2020 22:06

Why has OP not come back? There's been some really good, constructive advice here and people have put a lot of effort into their posts only to be met with silence.

MingVase · 02/03/2020 22:23

@springydaff, I feel sorry for the OP, who sounds bewildered and hurt, as well as angry. I do also think he exhibits minimal self-knowledge, and doesn’t seem to be taking on board that everyone but him and his wife are presumably happy with the situation, therefore if he wants things to change, he’s going to have to introduce the change he wants to see. Probably by dialling everything down rather than disinheriting.

I can see both sides. DH’s brother’s wife hates our mutual PILs, who are sweet and well-meaning, though our MIL in particular genuinely doesn’t get that other people do things differently and are not wrong — SIL views them as common, ignorant and unwelcoming, they see her as prissy, cold and uptight. I like both ‘sides’, but have given up trying to explain them to one another.

BIL and SIL live a short haul flight away from PIL and the narrative is that SIL is ‘too busy’ in her care home job to take a weekend off to travel, ever, so hasn’t seen them in ten years, and BIL appears occasionally solo.

thegcatsmother · 02/03/2020 22:29

What those of us with adult children are saying is that it’s crossed our minds when they particularly irritate us. That doesn’t mean we’d do it or threaten it.

I've told him I'll leave it all to the cat's home and leave him the cats, especially when he drowns the motherboard of his laptop with cider.

CheshireChat · 02/03/2020 22:41

I'm afraid I haven't read enough of the thread to actually be able to comment, but the previous comment from thegcatsmother is hilarious. Just the fact she threatens to saddle her son with the inheritance stealing felines I think Grin.

springydaff · 02/03/2020 22:44

Why has OP not come back?

Can you blame him? Vile posts, endlessly projecting. He's in a great deal of pain, hard to be objective.

I posted upthread that this thread is gold: no greater illustration of the enormous, and growing, antipathy toward older parents. Wholesale projection, both ways - but even that is illuminating. Its interesting to me but probably unbearable for op. Who is a man, an older man, so he didn't stand a chance on here. A man in tremendous pain.

Isthisit22 · 02/03/2020 22:46

It's quite simple--(fairly naturally) your DIL prefers spending time with her family. She probably organises most things in their household therefore they go to her family.

If you want it to change you will have to start organising events well ahead and encouraging your son to organise them too. Eg arrange a meal for mothers day with your wife--possibly the week after?

You should also accept that your DIL may not really want to come/be involved. I rarely go to my in laws. No drama or falling out but they are not really my cup of tea so my husband takes our children and I get some time to myself.
You may have ideas about being a big happy family but clearly that's not going to happen so let go of the resentment and set about making a better situation where you see your son in a way that's enjoyable for you and him.
Definitely don't have a big talk to him about it and don't passively wait for the next snub. Organise something--invite them both then don't criticise or sulk if DIL does not come. Your son is most important here.

Tvquizhelp · 03/03/2020 02:36

Fhh

maa1992 · 03/03/2020 02:59

Raise it with your son, explain how hurt you feel

Thewomeninthemirror · 03/03/2020 03:02

“A daughter is always a daughter.
A son is a son until he finds a wife.”
Has anyone else heard this saying?

FireflyAurora · 03/03/2020 04:51

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Oysterbabe · 03/03/2020 06:34

“A daughter is always a daughter.
A son is a son until he finds a wife.”
Has anyone else heard this saying?

It's come up once or twice 🤣

bugbhaer · 03/03/2020 06:38

No, but we’ve had versions that rhyme.

HelgaHere1 · 03/03/2020 06:55

If someone gives you presumably 10s of thousands towards a house so you can marry and move straight in rather than years renting and saving I think a thank you meal is NOT a big enough thanks. My DC regularly thank us - they are so much further up the housing ladder then we were at their age due to financial gifts. And if their wife/husband took against us -ignoring and sitting in the car I would delightedly miss them out in my will, having already given enough to give their marriage a good start. You bet I would .
There are regular posts on here about one sibling doing all the support and caring but the selfish ones getting equal inheritance - or sometimes getting more if the golden child. No way I'd do that.

maa1992 · 03/03/2020 07:01

@titchy I think your reply was completely unnecessary.

Gre8scott · 03/03/2020 07:02

My bils wife like this. They just has another baby and her mum and dad were included in helping with the other kid my mil got to visit for an hour.
They never have xmas with his side only hers.
She never wants to be with us when we are together and screamed at my mil on her birthday in public.
You aren't entitled you want to see your son.
I often think mens parents mean nothing to the wife's
Talk to your son and be honest he is maybe just trying to please his new wife x

HelgaHere1 · 03/03/2020 07:19

OP, would a request for more contact with your son be received better if your wife approached him?

slinkysaluki · 03/03/2020 08:49

Firefly you sound like a selfish twat, just like the OP's DIL. Has she ever thought about how her husband might feel about the way she behaves and what a difficult position it puts him in ? She sounds like s charmer, "couldnt give afuck whether he goes on holiday with her or not" selfish cow

slinkysaluki · 03/03/2020 08:58

Marriage is give and take, i was with my husband for 27 years. He passed away suddenly two years ago.

I didnt particularly like his family much, they are very insular and dont like outsiders, quite ignorant in basic manners. I used to visit with my husband and wouldnt dream of behaving the way the OP's DIL does. Its rude and ill mannered, basic manners cost nothing. I also did it because i loved my husband and didnt want to cause a problem. As i said its give and take, unfortunately a lit of people want it all their own way

recklessruby · 03/03/2020 09:34

I m going to disagree with quite a few pp but I dont think OP is BU if they gave their son money to buy a house and also say that money s quite tight atm.
The wedding pictures was a rude thing to do too. OP and his wife obviously wanted some nice pictures with their son.
Imo dil sounds hard work, sitting in the car while the son visits, playing on her phone when people are talking to her.
Ok she prefers her family, lots of us do but what about a compromise?
I m sorry OP I think you should talk to your son alone and tell him straight it s hurtful to you both.

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