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To be worried about Coronavirus part 5

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idontusuallypanic · 26/02/2020 17:46

Parents here are very upset about kids from Milan being at school today.

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RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 21:09

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/they-have-no-idea-government-failing-on-coronavirus-say-gps?CMP=share_btn_tw
'They have no idea': government failing on coronavirus, say GPs

Doctors say NHS 111 giving wrong advice and not enough patients being tested for virus

NHS doctors have told the Guardian of their experiences of the government’s handling of coronavirus, warning that they have concerns about how patients who may have been infected are being managed.

James*, a GP in Derbyshire, where one of the latest British coronavirus cases is thought to have been located, described the Department of Health’s response to the virus as “ridiculous” and “negligent”.

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Despite his surgery website and posters clearly instructing people who have travelled to affected regions in recent weeks not to enter the GP practice, James said some patients have “breezed past our bright yellow posters suggesting they stay at home”.

“There seems to be an attitude of: ‘We don’t care if we infect a whole GP surgery full of people,’” he said.

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While many patients had followed Public Health England’s advice to stay at home and call the NHS helpline 111 after returning from affected areas, “some had been told to go into the GP practice”, James said.

“The helpline later claimed this advice was given in error, saying that the patient must have selected the wrong telephone answering choice,” he added.

Online bookings were proving a further obstacle in the practice’s attempts to prevent the spread of the virus.

James’s GP surgery is contractually obliged to offer online booking services, which means they cannot prevent those with symptoms from getting appointments at the practice.

James and his colleagues contacted Derbyshire’s clinical commissioning group to try to stop online bookings until after the outbreak had passed, but were told they could not do so until a coronavirus case had been confirmed in the region. It is unclear how Thursday’s confirmed case will impact the practice.

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“It’s a catch 22,” said Sarah. “The government aren’t doing one thing or the other. They’re not containing it, like they did in China, and they’re not testing for it. They have no idea of the problem.”

“It’s the worst of both worlds, and they’re causing panic,” she added.

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Emma*, a doctor at a hospital in London, recently returned from a holiday near northern Italy, where the coronavirus has broken out.

Her daughter, Alice*, developed symptoms of the virus, and she called the 111 helpline three times. They eventually told her to attend her GP surgery – advice that contradicts Public Health England’s guidance to stay at home.

The GP instructed them to visit A&E, but the hospital where Emma works refused to test Alice for the virus because their holiday destination fell just 50 miles outside of the affected area. Alice eventually tested positive for the flu, but Emma fears their reluctance to test for coronavirus could facilitate its spread.

Thus proving 111 is a call centre full of people who can't even read off a script and lack any common sense what so ever.

Quartz2208 · 27/02/2020 21:11

Spoke to the Porter here on the way to the scan and he said that people are already turning up fearing they have it

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 21:11

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-schools-could-shut-for-two-months-if-virus-becomes-out-of-control-11944794?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Coronavirus: UK schools could shut for two months if virus becomes 'out of control'
The warning by England's top medical officer comes as two more people test positive for COVID-19, bringing total cases to 15.

Professor Chris Whitty's warning comes as two tested positive for COVID-19 in Derbyshire and Northern Ireland recorded its first case - bringing the total confirmed cases in the UK to 16.

He also said onward transmission between people in the UK without recent travel to affected virus hotspots was "just a matter of time".

Professor Whitty said if the virus becomes a global epidemic there could be a potential "social cost", which may include cutting the number of mass gatherings and shutting schools for several weeks.

hoovermyrug · 27/02/2020 21:13

I have had similar thing. Miles from Italian border. PHE said I needed a test and NHS 111 said fell outside of criteria. So no way of knowing.

DonkeyKong2019 · 27/02/2020 21:13

Realistically though, they couldn't shut schools?

SubordinateThatClause · 27/02/2020 21:14

I still reckon they'll close schools early for Easter.

donbelieveit · 27/02/2020 21:16

I think they don't want to close schools unless it gets too out of control and need it paused

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 21:16

Chris Whitty (who was mentioned in the tweet announcing the two deaths this morning so get familiar with his name) is being quoted in several papers tonight saying schools, music, sports events etc could be stopped for two months but no decision has been made yet.

donbelieveit · 27/02/2020 21:16

They want us exposed to it to see what happens first

eeeyoresmiles · 27/02/2020 21:17

James’s GP surgery is contractually obliged to offer online booking services, which means they cannot prevent those with symptoms from getting appointments at the practice.

Didn't at least one surgery (in Brighton?) suspend online booking early on?

Surely we need some really blunt public information announcements to be inserted into popular TV programmes, making it really really clear that you absolutely can't turn up at your GP surgery if there's the slightest possibility that you might have coronavirus?

Does anyone know if premium streaming services without adverts (Amazon Prime, Netflix etc.) can have public information notices put on them so people can't miss them? So many people watch things that way, they might miss more traditional public information sources.

Parker231 · 27/02/2020 21:17

Closing schools must be a last resort? Are employers going to pay their employees to stay home with their DC’s - probably not.

justchecking1 · 27/02/2020 21:19

What deaths Red?

donbelieveit · 27/02/2020 21:19

I dont want my kid to get pneumonia

Queenunikitty · 27/02/2020 21:20

Schools in Hong Kong have been shut since 7th Jan and are not scheduled to reopen until 20th April. Yes really. Doubt that would happen here though.

eeeyoresmiles · 27/02/2020 21:23

Those employers might end up losing their employees to weeks of illness or worse, in a bad local outbreak - it's not as though they can assume they'll be fine and unaffected other than by childcare problems.

Will it ever be a legitimate authorised option for people who work from home or are SAHPs to keep their kids at home? It seems a bit all or nothing to have schools either fully open or fully closed and no in between options.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 21:23

Full Whitty quote here:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/uk-two-more-patients-in-england-test-positive-for-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

“Everybody knows that the kinds of things you consider – reducing mass gatherings, school closures, which may or may not be appropriate for this particular virus. We don’t know yet. We need to find that out.

“Now, to be clear, we’re not saying we will do them, but we have to look at all of them and say: how likely are they to work? And what’s our evidence base here? What’s the social cost of this?

“Because one of the things, frankly, with this virus much more so than flu, is whatever we do we’re going to have to do for quite a long period of time, probably more than two months. And the implications of that are non-trivial. So we need to think that through.”

He added: “This is something we face as really quite a serious problem for society potentially if this goes out of control. It may not, but if it does globally, then we may have to face that.”

Ministers are finalising the government’s plan to respond to the increasing threat posed by coronavirus, which is expected to be published next week. Matt Hancock, the health secretary, insisted: “There is a good chance that we can avoid a pandemic. That’s a potential outcome but not a definite outcome.”

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 21:24

What deaths Red?

sorry cases. my mistake before everyone has a meltdown!

Cam77 · 27/02/2020 21:25

The first case in China was right at the beginning of December. The number of cases didn’t start to explode until about six weeks later. You do the maths. My partner is Chinese and to be honest I’m worried about this. I think the response throughout Europe has been severely lacking. However, bare in mind that the mortality rate for those under 50 is very low, and it’s zero for children. But it is very worrying for those over 60 and those with underlying health issues.
Relative to the size of population to cases, China started going into complete and utter lock down right about now - no work, no school, no shopping, in order to contain it. Are we ready to do the same? Doesn’t feel like it.

Ciwirocks · 27/02/2020 21:26

Does anyone have any data on how many cases around the world have come from Italy? And how many of the ‘northern Italy’ cases have links to Milan?

MarshaBradyo · 27/02/2020 21:27

School closure would be hard. Hong Kong gosh for that long.

donbelieveit · 27/02/2020 21:30

Neil ferguson recently said, we don't want to close schools and delay it till autumn when resources are stretched. Closing schools would be done if they feel like blunting cases and only one in a hundred die from it

Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 21:31

Yha art clean red posted seems to mirror the people's experience.

What have we done where they don't test because someone is 50 miles away from infected area.

DressingGownofDoom · 27/02/2020 21:31

@MrsStrangerThing yes I've been keeping an eye to see where the person is from. Tbh it doesn't matter, people from my town are that daft and nosy there's no chance of people self isolating! They'll be standing in the pubs with a temp of 42°! Keep us updated with any inside info from the Royal Grin

Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 21:33

The article red posted

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