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To be worried about Coronavirus part 5

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idontusuallypanic · 26/02/2020 17:46

Parents here are very upset about kids from Milan being at school today.

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Redpriestandmozart · 27/02/2020 16:42

I found this very interesting.

FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 16:44

Less than five days ago Italy had among the lowest cases of coronavirus in Europe. Now it has had more coronavirus deaths than South Korea.

VivaLeBeaver · 27/02/2020 16:44

We also had tamiflu to help lessen the symptoms of swine flu....no such drugs for coronavirus yet.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:44

Live thread also mentions that it looks like there is local transmission in Seville. So we might see another cluster appearing there shortly.

Meruem · 27/02/2020 16:45

Ah well so they've already thought about where they'll bury us all! That's reassuring!

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:47

Something we take somewhat for granted in the UK:

ABC News @ABC
Speaker Nancy Pelosi says any coronavirus vaccine should be "affordable.

"This would be a vaccine that is developed with taxpayer dollars...We think that should be available to everyone—not dependent on 'Big Pharma.'"

Imagine there being a vaccine but you cant afford it, but you know if you get it, you might end up dead or with an even bigger bill.

Horrible.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:48

Ah well so they've already thought about where they'll bury us all! That's reassuring!

Its funny how they focus on that rather than the measures to actually keep us alive isn't it?!

mrshoho · 27/02/2020 16:48

The situation in Qom, Iran looks to be very worrying. Some reports are saying 50 deaths so far however officials are denying. Seems as was in Wuhan in the early days that medical professionals are being silenced. Unofficial reports saying that Ayatollahs and their families have been moved out but for ordinary people they are saying go about your business as usual. I feel there is a hell of a lot of cases there.

VivaLeBeaver · 27/02/2020 16:48

What’s the live thread sorry?

Snowdropdelight · 27/02/2020 16:49

Exactly four which is why I'd prefer options to isolate now and my dc, I work in place with lots of fluidity with travel, people travelling, close contact mixing and obviously dc at school.

We would be 3 less people the NHS has to worry about unless we already have it.

MissPoldark · 27/02/2020 16:51

Bit of a random post but I had no idea SARS was so widespread. I thought it was mainly clusters in the Far East & Canada.

To be worried about Coronavirus part 5
RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51655133
BBC Live update page

tryingtoprep · 27/02/2020 16:54

Ponders: Who does the high risk COVID-19 related work and how will they recruit? As public servants funded by us, the taxpayer, I recommend the PM and his cabinet for those roles. Although I suspect they're rather more likely to follow suit of Iran...
Unofficial reports saying that Ayatollahs and their families have been moved out but for ordinary people they are saying go about your business as usual

NaturalBornWoman · 27/02/2020 16:55

Ah well so they've already thought about where they'll bury us all! That's reassuring!

I saw this on newsnight last night. It was not ideal just before bedtime tv. I did feel the focus was somewhat pessimistic.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 16:57

Some really rather alarming stuff in pess:

Survival of the fittest is in print - broadly you won't get admitted if you need ventiliation. In my interpretation the illest are too time consuming and costly to treat so you don't waste time and resources on them:

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-deaths-nhs-intensive-care-flu-wise-men-protocol-a9361916.html

Plus as someone else mentioned - plans for mass burial sites.

Gammeldragz · 27/02/2020 16:57

Can anyone remember that video that was on here a few days ago, it had really annoying music but it showed timelines of this virus against a lot of historical ones. I really wanted to look at it again and can't find it...

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 16:58

Just looking at the Swine flu spread and response in the UK.

The first case was reported in April, with the outbreak peaking in July but carrying on much longer than that - into the next year - and thats with a vaccine available in the October.

So for all the self isolating talk, if this does become widespread in the UK it is going to be very difficult to just cut yourself off for months on end.

This is something people need to keep in mind somewhat now.

At this stage self isolation might be appropriate. There may even be some shutdowns. But realistically (as was the case in 2009) there will be a point where this become pointless and ineffective.

It terms of preparation, people might want to give that a little thought.

woodencoffeetable · 27/02/2020 17:03

re mass burial
every country has (should have) a pandemic plan. that's usually in the drawer somewhere.
this covers government rations stockpile, transport, hospital provision, communication, quarantine sites, sanctions, etc, and of course action that needs to be taken to dispose of bodies quickly and safely.

FourTeaFallOut · 27/02/2020 17:06

This one @Gammeldragz?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEYpOBAXuqE

AvocadoOwl · 27/02/2020 17:07

@YoursTunbridgeWells that article is saying that there won't be enough ventilators for everyone if demand outstrips supply- I'm not sure that's news really as of course we haven't enough equipment/beds to ventilate large numbers. Naturally doctors are going to be placed in positions where they have to give a ventilator to one patient over another.

Re mass burial plans I believe this is a feature of any sort of govt disaster planning (certainly it was included in the swine flu planning) so no need to read too much into that.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 17:09

Unofficial reports saying that Ayatollahs and their families have been moved out but for ordinary people they are saying go about your business as usual

Moved out and by whom. I can't see them doing much themselves without assistance... There is also some evidence that this might be a little late anyway and whatever bunker they are in, pretty pointless if they already have it.

Survival of the fittest is in print - broadly you won't get admitted if you need ventiliation. In my interpretation the illest are too time consuming and costly to treat so you don't waste time and resources on them
Study in Wuhan on those termed critical patients showed that 67% died. Those who survived were younger. 80% of those who required mechanical intervention died. The few that survived were all over 50 years of age.

As awful as it sounds, why would you allocate resources at this point to someone who was that ill unless they were young, fit and healthy otherwise? There is obviously a limit here as to who can be saved and who can't. Having a little dignity and honesty about this upfront, will probably save NHS workers time and frankly abuse.

I'd argue that the study suggests there isn't much hope for people once they get to that stage anyway, so its not necessarily a question of 'saving them' versus 'not saving them' anyway.

Its about expectation management as much as its about a harsh policy.

I'm sure someone will argue with me on this, but I don't see it as necessarily denying treatment. More being realistic about how much can be done to help people anyway.

Nammech111 · 27/02/2020 17:10

I live in Wales. My sister told me today she knows some who is a dr secretary here and they've shut down an area in the hospital due to Corona virus. This could be just hear say but I find it very worrying they aren't letting people know its here. Unless they don't want to scare people. It could also be not true it's just gossip. But concerning if it is and they are hiding it.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 17:10

I know that makes sense @woodencoffeetable but I would be really upset if my loved ones won't get the burial they asked for. When you can't get their ashes as there's been a mass cremation.

Though that pales into comparison with the fact that a whole heap of people won't get any treatment and will be left to die. I don't know how they determine that list but certainly anyone over 60, anyone with pre-existing health conditions including younger people (myself included) may be in serious trouble here and denied in their hour of need. Who knows what the threshhold of health will be needed to access treatment - maybe anyone with mental health issues and mild conditions like asthma will be denied access to medical care.

Quite frankly, it may make sense, but it's pretty terrifying.

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2020 17:11

sorry that should read

*The few that survived were all UNDER 50 years of age.

YoursTunbridgeWells · 27/02/2020 17:11

@RedToothBrush your explanation makes a lot of sense thank you. I was typing my last comments when you posted

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